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    So what do you think really happened on 9/11, mouse?

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    put down your PS2 for two hours and watch the movie.




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    I watched that piece of crap last year when you asked.

    Is there another edition now that they've found that most of what they said is bull like Loose Change?

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    put down your PS2 for two hours and watch the movie.



    Just out of curiosity, what's the slow-motion animated .gif of President Bush's statement supposed to be showing us?

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    In the new book, The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America, respected academic publisher, The University of California Press, prints a strong charge against Vice President Cheney, an extraordinary challenge coming from such an established publisher against a sitting Vice President;

    "9/11 was the largest homicide by far in American history, yet it has never been adequately investigated. The public has been told of a conspiracy that included terrorist conspirators organized and financed abroad. But if U.S. defenses had functioned on that day as they had previously, the four planes at a minimum should have been intercepted by fighter aircraft. Yet we are told that even this did not happen. There is a domestic side to 9/11 as well, about which we still know next to nothing. Key evidence requested by the commission was initially withheld until subpoenas were issued, and some evidence was deliberately destroyed. Worse, there are systematic suppressions of evidence in the 9/11 Commission Report itself, along with unresolved contradictions in testimony and occasional misrepresentations of some crucial facts.

    This chapter and the next will explore these issues and make the case that Vice President Cheney is himself a suspect in the events of 9/11 who needs to be investigated further."

    - Peter Dale Scott, The Road to 9/11, p.194 (emphasis added)

    An abridgment of the chapters that carry the charge is available here in PDF form, 143 kb download.

    There are many reasons to impeach Cheney. This careful, thoroughly researched volume only adds to the fire. Highly recommended reading for anyone interested in US Foreign and Domestic Policy, and indeed, 9/11.

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    Speaking of worth the price of admission..

    "Jersey Girl" Patty Casazza and Bob McIlvaine speak about 911 Commission

    ...explosive stuff...

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    another update................ a secret deal was made with Mark Cuban

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    Hasn't that dude confessed yet? I want to see a confession!

    And I also want to know how they got those people to fly the
    planes into the WTC?

    What would have happened had the planes entered the floors
    where the charges were set?

    And how did they get the passenger volunteers to do their
    thing?

    An inquiring mind wants to know......

    Waterboard that guy and make him confess. That is what
    I would do.

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    They found bodies and plane parts.
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 11-12-2007 at 03:37 PM.

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    another update................ a secret deal was made with Mark Cuban


    another update..............you're still an idiot.

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    Sibel Edmonds will blow the lid off what the government knew pre-911 and exposed criminal conspiracies against powerful legislators, so why won't the M$M bite?

    EXCLUSIVE: Daniel Ellsberg Says Sibel Edmonds Case 'Far More Explosive Than Pentagon Papers'

    'Gagged' FBI Whistleblower, Risking Jail, Says American Media Has Refused Her Offer to Disclose Classified Information, Including Criminal Allegations, Information Concerning 'Security of Americans', Charges Several Mainstream Publications Have Been Informed of 'Full Story' by Other FBI Leakers Nearly a Year Ago, Have Remained Mum...

    -- Brad Friedman, The BRAD BLOG

    "I'd say what she has is far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers," Daniel Ellsberg told us in regard to former FBI translator turned whistleblower Sibel Edmonds.

    "From what I understand, from what she has to tell, it has a major difference from the Pentagon Papers in that it deals directly with criminal activity and may involve impeachable offenses," Ellsberg explained. "And I don't necessarily mean the President or the Vice-President, though I wouldn't be surprised if the information reached up that high. But other members of the Executive Branch may be impeached as well. And she says similar about Congress."


    The BRAD BLOG spoke recently with the legendary 1970's-era whistleblower in the wake of our recent exclusive, detailing Edmonds' announce that she was prepared to risk prosecution to expose the entirety of the still-classified information that the Bush Administration has "gagged" her from revealing for the past five years under claims of the arcane "State Secrets Privilege".

    Ellsberg, the former defense analyst and one-time State Department official, knows well the plight of whistleblowers. He himself was prepared to spend his life in prison for the exposure of some 7,000 pages of classified Department of Defense do ents, concerning Executive Branch manipulation of facts and outright lies leading the country into an extended war in Vietnam.

    Ellsberg seemed hardly surprised that today's American mainstream broadcast media has so far failed to take Edmonds up on her offer, despite the blockbuster nature of her allegations.

    As Edmonds has also alluded, Ellsberg pointed to the New York Times, who "sat on the NSA spying story for over a year" when they "could have put it out before the 2004 election, which might have changed the outcome."

    "There will be phone calls going out to the media saying 'don't even think of touching it, you will be prosecuted for violating national security,'" he told us.


    "I have been receiving calls from the mainstream media all day," Edmonds recounted the day after we ran the story announcing that she was prepared to violate her gag-order to disclose all of the national security-related criminal allegations she has been kept from disclosing for the past five years.

    "The media called from Japan and France and Belgium and Germany and Canada and from all over the world," she told The BRAD BLOG.

    "But not from here?," we asked incredulously.

    "I'm getting contact from all over the world, but not from here. Isn't that disgusting?," she shot back...
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    So why doesn't she tell the world through the world's media outlets that have called her?

    This is sounding more and more like bs with every story.

    If the right media outlet doesn't kiss her ass in just the right way, then what? She just dies without saying anything that will change/save/end the world?

    Just spit it out. If it's news, it will be in the news.

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    Well, I think that she is looking for the expensive legal protection that the M$M can provide, remember she's already been threatened that if she talks about what she knows, she goes to jail...and in America if its not reported by CNN, FAUX News, ABC, or NBC it simply never happened.....my thoughts are that she is worried that the M$M will bury her allegations, no matter how earth shattering they are, remember, I post stuff that would be just as earth shattering, if the M$M would do their job and investigate it, but they don't, and people learn about these things years later when some BS has been spun to justify their illegal behavior...like the telecoms providing illegal info to the feds.....or the rendition and extradition of M.E. immigrants for merely being on a Terra watch list....

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    If it's really that mind-blowing there will be an army of lawyers ready to take her case. In effect she is saying she is more important than this information, so iIcan only conclude that this woman fancies herself as being more important than the United States of America or that her information isn't as big a deal as you've made it out to be.

    These are crap excuses, and your claims about the mainstream media's being both irrelevant and all-important at the same time are contradictory and disingenuous. The internet is the tail that wags the mainstream media's dog these days. If she put her full story on a decently read blog and the story had any merit, it would be picked up.

    Or just write a damn book. Everyone else has.

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    These are crap excuses, and your claims about the mainstream media's being both irrelevant and all-important at the same time are contradictory and disingenuous. The internet is the tail that wags the mainstream media's dog these days. If she put her full story on a decently read blog and the story had any merit, it would be picked up.
    Yeah, and what makes you think the blog would not be shut down and the story misreported? The M$M is largely irrelevant, but they are so out of their own doing, Still most people are lazy and ill-informed, of the hundreds, , maybe thousands of well-researched internet allegations I have posted here none have gone anywhere until they were eventually reported by the M$M....it's the power of the people....but what the people don't know, the people can't do anything about...

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    Yeah, and what makes you think the blog would not be shut down and the story misreported?
    Nothing really makes me think it would -- once these things get out they get reposted everywhere else. Which blogs have been shut down for this kind of story lately? What about putting it in multiple sites in multiple countries at the same time. Who is going to shut all of them down?
    it's the power of the people....but what the people don't know, the people can't do anything about...
    That's exactly why she should give up her information. And her playing coy about it and trying to get some kind of media deal with it is bull . If it's really that important and she really is a patriot, we would already have her information.

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    And her playing coy about it and trying to get some kind of media deal with it is bull . If it's really that important and she really is a patriot, we would already have her information.
    Inclined to agree with CD here. If the facts and do ents she holds are so mind-blowing and important, then where that info is released isnt nearly so.

    That report and its contents could be posted on the net simutaneously across the world on thousands of different hosts, where she could concurrently appear on BBC explaing the finer details.

    BBC is broadcast everywhere in the world (including here). If it is as important as they make it sound, the format will not matter in the slightest.

    In closing, be out with it already.

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    Hey no confession yet? Damn, when are we going to get that
    confession?

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    Two recommended videos if you want to learn more about the Sibel Edmonds case and why the M$M doesn't want you to know

    Sibel Edmonds. Everybody Knows

    Sibel Edmonds. Investigations Thwarted

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    dan, I want the confession we were promised.......

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    Inclined to agree with CD here. If the facts and do ents she holds are so mind-blowing and important, then where that info is released isnt nearly so.

    That report and its contents could be posted on the net simutaneously across the world on thousands of different hosts, where she could concurrently appear on BBC explaing the finer details.

    BBC is broadcast everywhere in the world (including here). If it is as important as they make it sound, the format will not matter in the slightest.

    In closing, be out with it already.

    Many of the accusations Sible Edmounds is ready to make have already been made before, and as explosive as they really are - spying, selling out the government, lying to the American people, out right treason - they have never, ever, been investigated by the M$M....so I don't see why Chumpy thinks that if she just posts it on some liberal blog that the M$M will all of the sudden wake up and start investigating - not gonna happen...

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    So she has already said what she had to say?

    Why are we talking about her again?

    If you are saying the MSM is never going to pick up her story, why is she demanding the MSM pick up her story on her terms?

    This makes no sense whatsoever.

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    So she has already said what she had to say?
    Common Chumpy, do a little research - her story was made 'retro-actively' top-secret by Dubya after she had already published some of her accusations on the web... , I remember a few years back, I posted a lot of her accusations....

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    So she refuses to make the accusations she has already made unless she gets full editorial control of one of the major US media outlets.

    Tell me what I'm missing here.

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    Legal protection Chumpy - liberal blogs can't protect her if the FEDS come-down on her for revealing what they consider to be state secrets - they are more likely to throw her and the owners of any blog in Gitmo...now if the M$M did their job and investigated her accusations like they should have years ago - then public outrage would make this much less likely...

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