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Ah, okay. Do you think the Spurs would include Splitter? I hope they don't.
I guess that he should be a Celtics fan.
I don't think that everybody working for Spurs are Spurs' fans.
It's kinda like someone working for Microsoft having a Mac at home.
Ah, okay. Do you think the Spurs would include Splitter? I hope they don't.
Its official
i just pull the trade on nbalive06
Say if this trade does happen, which probably won't knowing the Spurs FO. But if this somehow does happen. Where do y'all think Artest would fit in our rotation?
Parker
Finley
Bowen
Artest
Duncan
Manu- 6th man
Udoka
Oberto
Horry
Stoudamire
Vaughn
Bonner/ Mahimni
or does Artest move into Bowen or Finley's spot with Oberto starting? This would leave one big man off the bench, which would be Horry. What would happen if one of our bigs were to get hurt?
I don't have a clue if Spurs would include Splitter but I'm like you and I hope they won't.
I consider Artest as a gamble. I'm fine with Spurs giving draft picks or Mahinmi for Artest because it's also gambles.
To me, Splitter is almost a sure thing. I'm quite sure that he will be at least an useful role player.
I'm fine with giving up gambles for gambles but I don't like giving a sure thing for a gamble.
I like the idea of Artest in SA. Now we will see if the trade will happen and if it happens, his exact form. The waiting won't be too long, the trade deadline is in 32 hours.
It's not about what we'd give up (although I'd hate to see Barry go, and they'd better not give up Splitter who I think will be a great compliment to Tim), my objection is that I think Artest would adversely affect our team chemistry to the point where we'll have less chance winning than we would going ahead with the group we have.
Also, quite honestly, I don't want to barrack for that guy. He is an irresponsible wit who only cares about himself. He does NOT typify the values the Spurs represent.
Bring any number of other players, but Artest would be a mistake, I feel it in my bones.
I'm not sure why anyone is worried about the chemistry factor. I don't think he'd cause locker room drama; the Spurs are too strong for that. And it's not like the Spurs "need" Artest if they get him and he knows that. If he doesn't fit in or cause problems, then they'll just bench him. And no matter how crazy he is, he's smart enough to realize the opportunity here.
Nice finds, Bruno. Supposedly the Nuggets are offering an expiring contract (Najera) and a first rounder for Artest. I wonder what the Spurs are offering that can top that. Two expiring contracts and a likely lower first rounder sounds like a worse offer. Perhaps the Spurs are willing to throw in Mahinmi, Splitter or perhaps something like the Raptors and Rockets second rounders.
I'm still not sold on this trade. It doesn't appear to me that anything is broken enough that you have to make this risky of a move. Then again, buying an All-Star talent for pennies on the dollar is a difficult trade to walk away from.
if we include splitter in the trade
and then ron artest either opts out of his contract and signs somewhere else,
then we lose on this trade, we phail
Right now Barry and Elson aren't playing. So getting Artest for Barry and Elson would be a no brainer to me.
If Spurs trade Barry+Elson+incentives for Artest, I think that they will try to get a vet center via trade or FA.
Good take, but you're forgetting that Artest doesn't think like other people - I don't think he's always capable of being rational. In fact, I'm pretty sure he lives in "Artest World" where the laws of decent human conduct don't always apply. And in a tense playoff series (see, Western playoffs 2008) he's the last guy I'd want on my team. Rodman sabotaged a team led by DRob, Artest is even crazier than Rodman. The one thing that goes against this thesis is Artest's respect for Tim - he has describes him as a "pimp", in the positive sense.
Beyond that, Artest is capable of sabotaging his team for his own purposes - there is ample past evidence of that, most recently in the sacbee article I posted on page 11.
I'm more than happy to go to war with what we have minus whatever the we can get for Elson.
PS I'd take the Birdman over Artest. If the Hornets don't want him, bring him in.
yeh i just heard the Nuggets are going hard after Artest coz Mike Miller is off the table for some crazy reason. What the heck is Memphis thinking? lol
Im mixed about Artest. If LK is included then 4get it but if they can get him for a lower price then its worth the risk coz the Nuggets aren't going anywhere this season with this team
How about Elson and Najera to Sacto, Artest to Denver, Kleiza to us? I'll take that!
I am definitely not forgetting that. I've met him and he is one of the coolest basketball players that I've seen. Great with kids, great with fans, very thoughtful and caring. He needs to be on medication. For all I know, he's on medication now. I trust Pop on this as to whether he thinks it's worth the risk.Good take, but you're forgetting that Artest doesn't think like other people
To me, I just think it's very very little risk. The Spurs are a solid team in the locker room. One bad apple (if you want to classify him as that) isn't going to ruin that. Especially a guy that isn't "needed." He'd be like a bonus that you can do without, but would be nice to have.
Players that can sabotage a locker room are players that need to be relied on. Artest wouldn't "need" to be relied on in San Antonio - the Spurs aren't even playing Barry and Elson.
I don't think Artest will sabotage a team with 4 rings. He has to have some common sense. If he gets out of line, I'm sure the 4 banners above him at the practice facility and the AT & T center will only motivate him towards the 5th. Especially with the leadership of Tim Duncan at his side.
"I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn’t do anything, he didn’t react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett’s a—, and won the damn championship. You know what I’m sayin’? That’s gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real y; but Tim Duncan is a ... he’s a pimp." - Ron Artest
How about Elson and Najera to Sacto, Artest to Denver, Kleiza to us? I'll take that!
lol no way. LK would torch us like Manu and TP already do
Fair enough. You know more than I do, , you've met the guy. However, he definitely needs medication and I wonder if he's on any.
You are right about the strength of the Spurs' locker room, I don't doubt that. But if he were to become a third wheel he'd still be on the books for next year and we lose out on Barry's possible return.
I still don't want him on my team in a tight spot in the playoffs. If you were the other team, wouldn't you target him and his proven hot head? He hasn't been a winner anywhere he's been, and this will be the 3rd time he's been shipped out.
If the trade goes through and he helps us to win the Great Repeat, I will admit that I was wrong. But really, I want nothing to do with Artest.
There is a rumor of Miller to Cleveland with like deal Miller+Cardinal+Lowry for players with 0 or 1 year left on their contracts and picks.
BTW, I did mention that. No doubt Artest has respect for Duncan. But I don't know whether that translates in Ron Ron's head as "I will sacrifice myself for the team's interests".
Seems that, as usual, I am outspoken. So be it. I stand by my take.
Oooooo, do that please! That means Lowry would start for them, and I like Lowry.
Also, the tougher the East, the better. Right now there's only 2 elite teams out there.
i know the Nuggets were after Lowry.
Im guessing the Grizzlies will unload Miller if Cardinal is gone as well.
Cavs might have to give up some Boobie
I'm not even sure that Barry will ever be able to come back. Artest can opt out after this season or the Spurs can trade his expiring contract if he doesn't opt out. I don't see him being hard to get rid of.
I just think that an injured Barry and a lame Elson bring zero to the table. So, there's nowhere to go but up
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