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    Shaq is INJURED, old, out of shape and slow. The Suns hate playing the Spurs because we actually play excellent transition defense. Now, they will have to slow up their offense with Shaq on the court.
    This means other teams will be better suited to D them up.

    Bad move IMO. Oh well.

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    In what universe did Marion ever shut down Parker.
    Seems to me in game 2 he was switched onto him and Parker didn't have any 30 point games after that.

    It took Ginobili finally waking up to get them over the hump.

    Tear drops against Shaq? I've never seen that
    You haven't watched your 03 DVD very well.

    but if this Suns team catches on and all their players are playing good at the same time, that will be scary for any team in the NBA

    If Shaq was 3 years younger and healthy I would agree.

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    Nene?
    He has testicular cancer and is out for the year.

    GWS.

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    The Mavs could go out tomorrow and trade Devean George and sign-and-traded Tariq Abdul-Wahad for Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen and there'd be Spurs fans saying that the trade hurt the Mavs.

    That's just how Spurs fans roll

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    Yeah that worked in 04.

    K Will was stellar.


    What the Call David Robinson up.

    So let me get this straight.

    Shaq.

    Is not only gonna push this team to a ring.

    hes gonna get in shape, get healthy, and take this team over all in 4 months?
    I was thinking '03 Kevin Willis or '05 Tony Massenburg. I have seen Shaq play this season and in stretches, he's looked good. He's slowed down but he isn't Chris Webber.

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    The Spurs always beat the Suns because they were bigger, stronger and had better chemistry. Now the Suns will be bigger, stronger and could potentially match the Spurs' chemistry. Sure the Spurs can still beat them because the Spurs are damn good .... but if this Suns team catches on and all their players are playing good at the same time, that will be scary for any team in the NBA.
    I agree with most of this, but let's tap the brakes before we designate this team having the type of chemistry needed to make a deep run into the playoffs. I don't see how Amare and Shaq play together since both occupy considerable space in the paint. And Amare is not going to suddenly move out and start shooting elbow jumpers (a la Chris Webber).

    Really and truly, the matchup for the Spurs just got harder, but I don't see this new version of the Suns getting by the Fakers.

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    The Mavs could go out tomorrow and trade Devean George and sign-and-traded Tariq Abdul-Wahad for Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen and there'd be Spurs fans saying that the trade hurt the Mavs.

    That's just how Spurs fans roll
    Yeah as evidenced by the freaking out in the Gasol Laker thread.


    I have seen Shaq play this season and in stretches, he's looked good. He's slowed down but he isn't Chris Webber.
    Hes good?

    Is this the same guy that I saw guarded easily by Scott Freaking Pollard!?!??!

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    GUess the Spurs oughtta be sellers at the trading deadline then.

    You're acting like this trade is stupid on the part of Phoenix...big difference.

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    don't see how Amare and Shaq play together since both occupy considerable space in the paint

    Agreed.

    Stoudamire is gonna be the high post man feeding Shaq and bagging outside jumpers consistently?

    Okiedoke.

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    ... if this Suns team catches on and all their players are playing good at the same time, that will be scary for any team in the NBA.
    this huge a change in chemistry and strategy? in the middle of the season? and you're adding a guy whose out with a persistent hip injury?

    i think it'll be a fiasco.

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    In what universe did Marion ever shut down Parker.

    Tear drops against Shaq? I've never seen that. In fact, I'm sure Shaq has blocked more shots from Manu and Tony than any other bigman in the league.

    I'm not saying the Suns are now better than the Spurs. But only a ultimate Spurs homer could say this move isn't potentially disastrous for the Spurs. With Marion, the chances the Suns beat the Spurs in the playoffs was probably like .01%. Without Marion and with Shaq, even if you want to bump that up to just 10%, this move still gives them a whole of a lot better chance of beating the Spurs.

    The Spurs always beat the Suns because they were bigger, stronger and had better chemistry. Now the Suns will be bigger, stronger and could potentially match the Spurs' chemistry. Sure the Spurs can still beat them because the Spurs are damn good .... but if this Suns team catches on and all their players are playing good at the same time, that will be scary for any team in the NBA.
    Chemistry....maybe.

    But Spurs have played together for a long time and forged in the fires of gutty playoff wins/losses. That's what it comes down to in those last 2 minutes. Can the Suns really throw these guys together for the second half and reach their pinnacle during the playoffs? With that much talent, they probably can. But I hope not

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    I agree with most of this, but let's tap the brakes before we designate this team having the type of chemistry needed to make a deep run into the playoffs. I don't see how Amare and Shaq play together since both occupy considerable space in the paint. And Amare is not going to suddenly move out and start shooting elbow jumpers (a la Chris Webber).

    Really and truly, the matchup for the Spurs just got harder, but I don't see this new version of the Suns getting by the Fakers.
    Amare might have the best mid-range jumper out of any big in the league outside of Dirk. I don't see the problem of Shaq and Amare. Amare already proved over and over again he's not a center on either end of the court. This season any bigman with a pulse was dominating him.

    Now he has the ultimate center next to him and can go back to shooting jumpers or running pick and rolls with Nash. It's not like Amare has a refined postup game that he'll have to give up.

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    You're acting like this trade is stupid on the part of Phoenix...big difference
    Not stupid.

    Just not enough.

    If they had gotten a more healthy low post presence I would be worried.

    Had they acquired Al Jefferson, I would REALLY be worried.

    Shaq who the last time played against Elson got out rebounded by him and guarded well?

    Suuuree.

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    In what universe did Marion ever shut down Parker.

    Tear drops against Shaq? I've never seen that.

    To be fair...Parker schooled Shaq in the first 2 games of the 04 playoffs. Lots of spectacular tear drops over Shaq's dome in games one and two.


    Then Phil started doubling him and Shaq started knocking the crap out of him every time he went into the paint.

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    Chemistry....maybe.

    But Spurs have played together for a long time. That's what it comes down to in those last 2 minutes. Can the Suns really throw these guys together for the second half and reach their pinnacle during the playoffs?
    Well, I've always wanted one last go at Shaq in the playoffs after the team blew the '04 series, and that sure as wasn't happening in Miami.

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    So Duncan won't get shaq in foul trouble and kill all this?

    Got it.

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    People 4get how easy it is to get Shaq into foul trouble.

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    To be fair...Parker schooled Shaq in the first 2 games of the 04 playoffs. Lots of spectacular tear drops over Shaq's dome in games one and two.
    Exactly.

    D'Antoni aint Phil Jackson either so he aint gonna figure out.

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    Hes good?

    Is this the same guy that I saw guarded easily by Scott Freaking Pollard!?!??!
    That was probably a bad stretch. The Heat are horrible this year and you know Shaq isn't exactly the epitome of giving his best effort, night in and night out. Especially if they are getting blown out.

    But I have watched about five or six Heat games and when he's feeling good, you can tell he has a little left in the tank.

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    People 4get how easy it is to get Shaq into foul trouble.
    He was getting in foul trouble in damn near every game with the Heat.

    One of Pat Riley's biggest peeves with him.

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    So this is going into full steam, Yahoo sports reports that this trade is going down, all that is in the way is a physical which Shaq will fail.

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    So Duncan won't get shaq in foul trouble and kill all this?

    Got it.


    Game 6 of the 03 playoffs was really the only time Duncan took him to school. But the truth is, they haven't been matched up against each other that often...

    And Duncan has never done a good job of defending Shaq...ever.

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    D'Antoni aint Phil Jackson either so he aint gonna figure out.



    Didn't you just hear?


    Phil Jackson was traded to the Suns for D'Antonio and a second round pick.

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    Yeah the trade is a done deal.

    He'll be wearing 32 in Phoenix.

    Knowing Phoenix's yuppies they are freaking out so hard they can't stand it.

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    i say good riddance Marion. Watch Melo drop 40+ on the suns

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