View Poll Results: Was the Kidd trade Good for the Mavs ?

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  1. #301
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    The only way to make the Kidd Trade work is if you get a real coach and then somehow convince Orlando to give you Howard. Otherwise...well the rest is history.
    Only way the rockettes are getting out of the first round is by pulling "the dream" out of retirement.

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    I'm not sure which is the more stupid comment, "+/- is the only stat that matters" or "harris can play shooting guard".
    Harris played shooting guarding for the mavs team that got to the finals smart guy. Plus he now has a point guard that can defend shooting guards. How many more fastbreak points will they get with Kidd and Harris in the backcourt?

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    Harris played shooting guarding for the mavs team that got to the finals smart guy.
    Were you still rooting for the Bulls back then? Adrian Griffin was our SG. Marquis Daniels & Stackhouse played at the 2-guard spot as well. Harris got zero minutes at SG. Harris was the backup PG.

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    Were you still rooting for the Bulls back then? Adrian Griffin was our SG. Harris was the backup PG.
    Nope that ended after we lost game 1 to the spurs. Putting Harris in the starting lineup instead of Griffin is what changed the series. Anyways Harris is a much better player now than at that time.

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    Nope that ended after we lost game 1 to the spurs.
    Harris never played SG.

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    Harris never played SG.
    He and Terry shared the backcourt. He can do the same with Kidd except he won't have as many point guard duties.

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    He can get to the basket at will a heck lot better than Kidd can. Kidd has trouble with fast point guards like Tony Parker and Chris Paul. .
    So does Devin Harris. So does everybody. Go on, go ahead and look up Devin and Tony's numbers against each other since that series.

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    So does Devin Harris. So does everybody. Go on, go ahead and look up Devin and Tony's numbers against each other since that series.
    That series should be ignored? Those were the games that counted the most. Harris can guard Parker better than anyone I've seen and it helped a lot to have Diop ready to challenge any shot Parker tried when he did get passed Harris.

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    He and Terry shared the backcourt.
    That worked great against the Warriors.

    And Harris still wasn't the SG.

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    That worked great against the Warriors.

    And Harris still wasn't the SG.
    They took turns. They took pressure off each other. Both had their moments of being shooting guard and point guard. You are too fixed about positions. Why can't Harris play shooting guard on offense and have Kidd guard shooting guards on the other side of the court?

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    That series should be ignored?
    That series was 2 years ago. Get the over it. Harris played well in 3 games. Tell me what he did in Game 7, when it "mattered".

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    Were you still rooting for the Bulls back then? Adrian Griffin was our SG. Marquis Daniels & Stackhouse played at the 2-guard spot as well. Harris got zero minutes at SG. Harris was the backup PG.
    In all honesty, I wouldn't mind having Harris at SG, even though he is small. If he is asked to just play defense and drive relentlessly, then I'm fine with that. If Howard was a better jumpshooter, then I would have rather traded Terry. But we needed jumpshooting around Kidd, so we had to keep Terry obviously.

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    That series should be ignored? Those were the games that counted the most. Harris can guard Parker better than anyone I've seen and it helped a lot to have Diop ready to challenge any shot Parker tried when he did get passed Harris.
    It includes that series. Beginning with G1 of the 06 Western Semis, Parker has consistently outplayed Harris. Go on, go and look it up.

  14. #314
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    In all honesty, I wouldn't mind having Harris at SG, even though he is small. If he is asked to just play defense and drive relentlessly, then I'm fine with that. If Howard was a better jumpshooter, then I would have rather traded Terry. But we needed jumpshooting around Kidd, so we had to keep Terry obviously.
    Yeah why I am arguing with someone that is best known for his smack talk and has little knowledge of basketball. I'm just wasting my time if he doesn't get it by now.

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    That series was 2 years ago. Get the over it. Harris played well in 3 games. Tell me what he did in Game 7, when it "mattered".
    IIRC, he was curbstomped by Tony Parker.

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    Why can't Harris play shooting guard on offense and have Kidd guard shooting guards on the other side of the court?
    Floor spacing. Harris isn't going to have drives to the basket because the kickout to Terry isn't available. Nobody respects Kidd's jumper as it is, and they didn't respect Harris' either (his shot improved but was still mediocre). The defense would crowd even worse than it does already, Harris wouldn't have , and now we've lost another 3 point threat. Genius

    Putting Harris at SG is so stupid that not even Avery would consider it.

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    It includes that series. Beginning with G1 of the 06 Western Semis, Parker has consistently outplayed Harris. Go on, go and look it up.
    Parker was having a of a year that year. He was having his way with everyone. Totally owning Bibby. Harris was the only one it seemed to gave him problems. Of course he didn't outscore Parker but Parker's percentages and point average was way down. Harris wasn't a big part of the offense back than though so I wouldn't expect him to outscore Parker. I'll look it up though.

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    IIRC, he was curbstomped by Tony Parker.
    Harris put up a scintillating 33 minutes, 2 points, 1 rebound, 0 assists, 5 turnovers.

    Parker had a mediocre 9-18, 24 point game.

    But Harris owns Parker. That's what they all say.

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    Floor spacing. Harris isn't going to have drives to the basket because the kickout to Terry isn't available. Nobody respects Kidd's jumper as it is, and they didn't respect Harris' either (his shot improved but was still mediocre). The defense would crowd even worse than it does already, Harris wouldn't have , and now we've lost another 3 point threat. Genius

    Putting Harris at SG is so stupid that not even Avery would consider it.
    2 years ago forum. Harris is much improved from outside as well as Kidd. Teams can't leave Harris as we will get many passes from Kidd for layups. Kidd, on the other hand, you can leave. He will just wait at the 3 point line.

  20. #320
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    Parker was having a of a year that year. He was having his way with everyone. Totally owning Bibby. Harris was the only one it seemed to gave him problems. Of course he didn't outscore Parker but Parker's percentages and point average was way down. Harris wasn't a big part of the offense back than though so I wouldn't expect him to outscore Parker. I'll look it up though.
    Not just that series, but since then as well, taking into account Harris' improvement. Parker has consistently won that matchup.

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    Harris is much improved from outside
    Much improved? He went from "horrible" to "not as horrible". By no means was he ever a threat from outside, up until he was traded. And he's shooting even worse in New Jersey.

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    Kidd, on the other hand, you can leave. He will just wait at the 3 point line.
    Good, then. He's shooting 51% from there as a Mav. His mid-range jumper is awful, but he finishes well on drives to the rim and he's a good, yes I said, good, 3-point shooter from the wings.

  23. #323
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    Not to mention the utter stupidity of the fact that Harris needs the ball to be effective. Just like Kidd.

    So we have two guys who can only make plays if they're controlling the ball, and we're going to play them at the same time. again, genius

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    yes, this was a very bad trade. we should look away from the screen and give up on this phony team.

    ok?

  25. #325
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    Good, then. He's shooting 51% from there as a Mav. His mid-range jumper is awful, but he finishes well on drives to the rim and he's a good, yes I said, good, 3-point shooter from the wings.
    Yes and teams will run up on him forcing him to drive and take a midrange shot. You can't do that with Harris.

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