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Leaving the Spurs will probably help his career, or at least help him get a new career high when he plays us next.
Dom gonna lead the Hawks to the playoffs and screw our pick, I see it now
Leaving the Spurs will probably help his career, or at least help him get a new career high when he plays us next.
He's had enough two way contracts to be a 6 way
Wish him luck. I liked him but never really broke out- sort of a tweener
Barlow always struck me as a malcontent. Even if/when the Hawks trade Capela or Nance Jr., they'll still have the other and Okongwu (technically Zeller too, but he's probably strictly insurance) to compete with for minutes.
In other ex-Spurs related news, Graham to the Trail Blazers.
Barlow is not a malcontent. Where do you make up this garbage?
Old, miserable fool with an axe to grind a lack of basic reading comprehension.
I said he "struck me as" (as in I have no proof, but that's the vibe I got), not he is.
Yeah, where the did you make that up.
I said he "struck me as" (as in I have no proof, but that's the vibe I got), not he is.
Like literally there is nothing that says Barlow has been anything like that and here you are just pulling big wads of garbage out of your rectum. Why?
I'd actually agree that I don't think Barlow wanted to be a Spur last year. Malcontent might be too strong, but I think last year's negotiation damaged his relationship with the team.
They replaced Barlow with a true C in Mensah. Barlow was too much of a tweener to really fit in well with what this team needs. Not agile enough to be a PF full time and not big enough to anchor the defense or guard big C’s effectively. Kind of the same issue with Collins.
exstatic, you think he's making more than 12 mil?
chop chop
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Fine, discontented/disenchanted. Is everyone satisfied now?
Mensah is unlikely to be on the roster in any capacity (more like in the pipeline) and agility wasn't so much the problem with Barlow as it is a lack of ball skills to play the modern PF.
He's a small ball big and that's predominately a big wing position.
I didn’t imply anywhere that Mensah would be further along than Barlow on this roster. And we disagree on the details of why Barlow didn’t fit but generally agree on that he’s a tweener.
I really think the NBA should change the rules on two way contracts, letting players stay with a team for more than two years if need be. Some players just need that experience of being on one team . Now if the team doesn't see any progress or the player stagnates and can't beat out the 15th guy, or is just an asshole, then yeah sure cut the guy - no big loss ,they don't make that much money and they don't count against the cap. Its just that some players are forced to look for another team because of the two year rule. I guess that rule would be for players that are too good for the G-league, but not good enough for the NBA. You know, the guys that usually end up in Europe or overseas. Sure they make more money , but its not the NBA.
Not necessarily a Barlow fan, but I think it could work for players with somewhat limited skills. Sort of a team option for two way players beyond year two - if a player was willing to sign it. Just an idea.
Mensah probably fits the mold of emergency backup C while Bassey is out injured more than Barlow does, is my take.
Nah. The point is to encourage player movement. The Spurs literally chose 15 players above Barlow. It's not healthy of them to try to cling to a person in that position. That third year of two-way eligibility is there so another team can take a chance. But really it's "chop-chop". Room needs to be made for other guys coming up. If Barlow can't hang after three years, he deserves to lose that middle ground.
Finding a way to keep ty players around longer is a very on brand for SpursTalk.com
Yes, exactly. Mensah is that insurance dude.
C rotation ideally looks like this:
Wemby
2. competent backup big that’s anyone but Collins
3. Backup to the backup big when backup big is injured, somewhat competes for that backup big role so that the position is never safe
4. Pipeline backup to the backup to the backup big who is always on a two way, eventually a replacement for the backup to the backup to the backup big
keep cycling new players for those 2, 3, 4 center spots over the years (number 2 stays a year or two longer than the number 3 and 4 guys)
with wesley on the roster already as a young project 4th PG, it makes me question the point of Bouyea occupying a 2-way spot. he was nice in summer league but is also already 25 yo with 5 years of college and 2 years of gleague. perhaps they value him enough to run the gleague team and create a semblance of structure on that squad (helping them develop and evaluate other prospects) that they think its worth giving him a 2-way spot to ensure he stays with austin.
Ingram getting a 2-way makes a lot of sense. 3&D frontcourt player with some rebounding/passing ability is worth keeping an eye on.
Grand Wizard is also on the older side... he'll also turn 25 before the season starts. but he's been quite productive in gleague and his game looks pretty NBA translatable. backup 2 is a bigger position of need than backup 1, since all we really have there right now is Branham (im assuming Castle is being brought up as a PG). his 3pt shooting numbers have also gotten appreciably better year after year, while he's also been a solid FT shooter and is a defensive effort guy.
but for the last spot, i'd prefer Minix to Bouyea. dont know how strongly i feel about mensah. havent watched him play much, but if we moved on from barlow because he was a tweener or undersized 5 at 6'9, then what are we seeing in Mensah? He's also already 26.
as far as the center rotation, wemby/zollins will do what they did most of last year, and hopefully bassey comes back and is able to play at least at the level we saw early last year before he got hurt. i dont think there's much more to see here, unless they give Mamu some spot minutes at C, even though i think he works best paired with wemby
Wesley sucks, and the Spurs really need an alternative to him on the roster in 2025. The team can afford to spend on a starting PG if Castle isn't ready, but they can't really afford to spend a lot on a backup. Bouyea and GW at least give some options out of a camp. That's even more true if Wesley's fourth year isn't picked up. SG has Champangie there as well, and he's better two-guard depth than Blake is PG depth.
I do question Wiz and Duke both being there instead of a center, but as I said, at least Mamu can take fourth-string minutes. I'm hoping guys like Mensah and Minix get a legit change to take those spots, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them waived soon after the S&B scrimmage and sent to the Toros.
i agree that wesley sucks, and i do not believe his 4th year option should be exercised unless he shows a huge 3rd year leap during camp/preseason. but he also just turned 21 a few months ago and has been as productive in the gleague as a more experienced/seasoned bouyea. if the spurs were looking for alternative PGs for 2025, i really dont think Bouyea should currently be seen as one of the candidates.
champ is SG depth in theory, but im not sure we ever saw minutes from him where he was not playing alongside 2 other guards.
I wouldn't say that. While I do think Bouyea is not a keeper, his d-league numbers came as a regular player rather than a send-down with free reign like Wesley. Blake's 25 USG% compared to Bouyea's 19 tells that. When we're talking about back-up or third-string PG, I don't really care about leftover potential. That's even more true when the projected 2025 starter is so young. I'd like it to be a guy who can come in and be steady. I don't think there's enough evidence to say Bouyea can do that. But I do think he deserves that chance rather than being blocked out by another year of hoping Wesley figures it out. I wish the Spurs had snagged an older PG, high-floor PG in the second round to add real depth. They can and should do that next year, but it would be nice if they had experience in the system before having to hold down a position on a Spurs team that should definitely have little room for project minutes.
Champ does fit best at SF, but he did play some SG minutes last year. I don't think he's incapable of playing that position and indeed think there are plenty of lineups where he could play there next season.
^exactly. Not every player on the roster has to have starter upside. Third stringer or fourth stringer showing second string upside is fine as is. I’m fine with those end of bench guys being old projects. Then, use your actual assets to replace your starters. Don’t rely on end of bench guys to grow into those roles. I mean, it would be nice but don’t count on it. Wesley, Bouyea, anybody just trying to be good enough to be a backup PG is reason enough to keep them. I think Bouyea has a better shot at it than Wesley, tbh.
based on a FA market where Tyus Jones is signing for the minimum, and remaining free agents include Markelle Fultz, Dennis Smith, i dont think it will be impossibly difficult to find one next offseason that can be a capable backup
early look at 2025 for backup type players, you have guys like Brogdon and Schroeder in addition to potentially retaining Tre or Paul
One years can be funny. I hold out hope, a little bit, anyway.
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