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    Question pending.
    Yes, and you didn't answer it.

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    Bot malfunctioning

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    treason

    You’ve lost all credibility. Go sit in the corner with djohn.
    You've run out of conspiracy theories. i can see why you are moody lately.

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    Question pending.

    I generally agree Russia's efforts had little overall effect, but it wasn't for a lack of trying. The question is, whether we should put up with active efforts of an intelligence agency of a foreign government to attack the very idea of democracy itself. Western liberal democracy is under threat from authoritarian regimes. That is important.

    There is also the matter that the sitting president appears to be actively compromised by that same government.

    But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

    The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

    Fact 1:
    Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

    Fact 2:
    Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened, and has gone so far as to take the extraordinary effort to delegitimize his own intelligence services when they something did happen. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

    Fact 3:
    Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

    Fact 4:
    Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

    Fact 5:
    Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

    Fact 6:
    Donald Trump has gone out of his way to meet and talk with Putin privately in person, with no American witnesses. This is the only leader with which he has acted in this manner.

    Fact 7:
    Donald Trump, when forced to sign a bipartisan sanctions bill passed with a veto-proof majority of both houses of Congress, issued a signing statement saying most of it was uncons utional, and that his administration would enforce it as little as possible.


    Fact 8:
    when Russia retaliated against sanctions by forcing the US embassy to cut staff, Trump thanked Putin for the action, making him look weak, something he has said one should never do, and is inconsistent with his past behavior in any other regard.

    Theory:
    Donald Trump has been compromised in some way. Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about.


    This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

    Prediction:
    Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


    The way to falsify the theory:
    1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
    2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

    Bull conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

    Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia.

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    You've run out of conspiracy theories. i can see why you are moody lately.
    TSA reduced to drive-bys.

    Blog has not given him guidance after the Fabulous Finland Fail.

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    Kevin from The Office thought he found his soul mate.
    ROFL.

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    treason

    You’ve lost all credibility. Go sit in the corner with djohn.
    Maybe you can tell me what Rubina was charged with. Smells like... collusion to me.

    When they coming for podesta?

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    Maybe you can tell me what Rubina was charged with. Smells like... collusion to me.

    When they coming for podesta?
    They might be coming for them with an immunity offer. That would be worth it just to see the meltdown.

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    I offered money as well, you declined like a pussy there too.
    I would note, that there are indications in the filings from Mueller that Cambridge Analytica data was passed on to the Russians for their information warfare efforts.

    I have said that the most likely conduit for collusion was data sharing from the RNC to CA, then on to the Russians, at the Trump campaign's behest.

    That meet your definition of collusion, mother er?

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    They might be coming for them with an immunity offer. That would be worth it just to see the meltdown.
    Yup. They want to scare her into rolling over on her US peeps. Probably can't get her to roll on Putin.

    I doubt she will be the only Russian in the US caught up in this. Their efforts are pretty diffuse.

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    Yup. They want to scare her into rolling over on her US peeps. Probably can't get her to roll on Putin.

    I doubt she will be the only Russian in the US caught up in this. Their efforts are pretty diffuse.
    I was actually talking about the Podesta brothers with the Manafort trial since they were subcontractors. Seems unlikely they are among the five potential offers though.

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    lol Chris has to quote and repeat his *ding*s

    But thanks for admitting it was Russia

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    ...and Bob Menendez knows
    Considerably more than you, for sure.

    Guy's a senator. He gets classified brienfings. Chris

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    Trump to CBS: ‘I Think I Did Great’ at Press Conference With Putin

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-to...ce-with-putin/

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    Considerably more than you, for sure.

    Guy's a senator. He gets classified brienfings. Chris
    lol sooper secret classified briefings

    lol Menendez

    lol Reck

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    Trump Repeats ‘No Collusion’ Like A Scared Child When Asked If He’ll Talk To Mueller

    Donald Trump sounded like a scared child on Wednesday when faced with the prospect of a sit-down interview with Robert Mueller.

    During an interview with Jeff Glor of CBS News, the president was

    asked whether he would meet with the special counsel as part of the ongoing investigation into whether the Trump campaign worked with Russia in 2016.


    “There’s no collusion,”

    Trump responded, becoming visibly unglued.

    “I didn’t deal with Russia.”

    GLOR: You’ve said you’ll sit with the special counsel before. Has anything changed in the past six months to change your mind–

    TRUMP: No, my lawyers are working on it.

    There’s no collusion.

    I didn’t deal with Russia.

    I had nothing to do with Russia with respect to my race.


    I won that race rather easily

    and I can tell you that I think, frankly,

    2020, I think it’s going to be even better than we did in ’16.

    GLOR: Are you more likely to sit for an interview now?


    TRUMP: My lawyers are working on that.

    I’ve always wanted to do an interview because –

    look – there’s been no collusion.

    his lawyers – clearly recognizing that truth-telling is not a skill Trump has – are working overtime to avoid such a politically and legally suicidal situation.

    In the meantime,

    Trump will continue claiming he’d love to talk to Mueller,

    all while shouting “no collusion” like a scared child.


    His tantrums are convincing nobody –

    not the American people and

    especially not Robert Mueller.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2018/07/18/trump-collusion-scared-child-mueller.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed &utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Polit icus+USA+%29

    Trash LIES every single day, many times, PROVEN, many times.

    but Trash is telling the truth with "no collusion" repeated dumbly ad nauseam?


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    lol sooper secret classified briefings

    lol Menendez

    lol Reck


    WASHINGTON — Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.


    The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.
    Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced,
    Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced,
    Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced,
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/w...meddling-.html

    Chris

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    and you had TSA praising Wikileaks

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    Aww looks like we lost Chris tonight. Get some new lithium, brah.

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