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    I don't obsess over minutiae like you do. Also that is subjective and irrelevant.
    So what's relevant here, Chris?

    Why did you bring it up?

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    Pootin target Bill Browder explains the security measures he has to take to stay alive and out of Putin’s hands



    Financier Bill Browder, who once managed one of the biggest foreign investment firms in Russia, is on Vladimir Putin’s “hit list.”

    Browder, 54-year, has worked to expose Putin’s corruption. During and interview with MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace, Browder detailed the security measures he must go through to remain safe.

    “Talk to us about what sort of security measures you’ve put in place for yourself,” Wallace said. “Are you worried about your safety generally?”

    Browder said Putin has been trying to kill him for five years, so he has solid routine down.

    “Well, the first thing I should point out is although the world has seen Vladimir Putin’s anger against me, this has been going on five years,” Browder said.

    “This is at no different a level now than it was five years ago. he’s very angry.

    He wants to destroy me, kill me or arrest me, and he’s been trying those things for a number of years.”


    He continued:

    “Yes, I do have many security measures in place.

    The most important security measure is legal security.

    I only go to countries where governments will support me and not hand me over to Vladimir Putin.”


    “That severely limits your travel, I would assume,” Wallace said.

    Browder explained that there are several countries he feels safe in.

    “Well, not really. I mean there are a number of rule of law countries around the world,” he said.

    He said he has been arrested in Madrid, but the government let him go.

    "They make up criminal accusations against their enemies.

    They called me a spy.

    They said that I stole $4.8 billion of IMF money destined for Russia in 1998.

    They just throw this stuff out like candy against their enemies” he explained.

    “In order to try to discredit people who are fighting corruption or fighting for human rights,

    they try to criminalize them.

    It’s a standard operating procedure.

    They do it to every single person that’s a human rights activist.

    The more effective you are,

    the more allegations they throw out there.”


    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/put...e+Raw+Story%29

    No wonder Trash adores Pootin, they both specialize is LIES and SLANDER.



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    So what's relevant here, Chris?

    Why did you bring it up?
    They filed a FEC complaint against the Clinton campaign and the DNC over the dossier. Figured that was relevant Pavlov.

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    A secret offer that Putin made to Trump behind closed doors just leaked

    Bloomberg is reporting that Vladimir Putin told his diplomats this week that

    he issued a proposal to Trump about holding a referendum in eastern Ukraine

    to decide whether or not the separatist republics of Donetsk and Luhansk – collectively known as the Donbass region – should remain part of Ukraine.

    Vladimir Putin told Russian diplomats that he made a proposal to Donald Trump at their summit this week to hold a referendum to help resolve the conflict in eastern Ukraine,

    but agreed not to disclose the plan publicly so the U.S. president could consider it


    Bloomberg reports that the two had agreed to keep the plan under wraps

    so Trump could “consider” the proposal,

    which will probably involve

    Trump not paying attention

    as his neocon ghoul advisors clutch their pearls so hard they asphyxiate before ignoring them and

    doing whatever Russia wants him to anyway.

    A referendum in Donbass will almost certainly be rigged in favor of breaking away

    and will represent a significant expansion of the Russian sphere of influence in Eastern Europe,

    watching Putin use his hold on Trump to legitimize his territorial and strategic ambitions is

    deeply disturbing and

    represents an existential threat to NATO and the western democracies of Eastern Europe that cannot be taken lightly.

    https://washingtonpress.com/2018/07/...s-just-leaked/

    Of course, whatever Pootin wants, traitor Trash delivers



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    They filed a FEC complaint against the Clinton campaign and the DNC over the dossier. Figured that was relevant Pavlov.
    As a *ding* sure.

    lol Chris

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    lol BOMBS

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    Looks like Podesta is one of the five that got use immunity. Very interesting.

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    Looks like Podesta is one of the five that got use immunity. Very interesting.
    Podesta good; Manafort bad

    because...

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    Hmm. Paul Erickson, the GOP operative who sexed Butina, pushed tor KT Mcfarland to become Deputy NSA adviser. You know. The same Mcfarland who wrote in an email Russia threw the election to Trump.

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    Breitbart

    So what's the possible penalty in this BOMBS case, Chris?
    The penalty is that it was a complaint made by a salty organization.

    There's your BOOM!

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    Hmm. Paul Erickson, the GOP operative who sexed Butina, pushed tor KT Mcfarland to become Deputy NSA adviser. You know. The same Mcfarland who wrote in an email Russia threw the election to Trump.
    The same GOP operative that got his Russia meetings attempts shut down was somehow influential in installing KT?

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    Looks like Podesta is one of the five that got use immunity. Very interesting.

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    Lol Tucker.

    a new low for you TSA.

    You’re better off quoting 4chan’s FBI annon.

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    Lol Tucker.

    a new low for you TSA.

    You’re better off quoting 4chan’s FBI annon.
    Why would one be better off quoting 4chan?

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    Anonymous sources good again.

    This must get exhausting.

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    Wow

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    FBI informant Marcy Wheeler: 'Mueller is sitting on a lot'

    Wheeler, a journalist and staunch privacy advocate who writes a national security blog called emptywheel, revealed a source to the FBI after her conscience compelled her to do so.

    Wheeler says she received a text shortly after Donald Trump was elected that piqued her interest, and then some.

    Her blog post centers on a text message she says she got from the source on Nov. 9, 2016 — about 14 hours after the polls closed — predicting that Michael Flynn, who would be Trump’s appointee for national security adviser, would be meeting with “Team Al-Assad” within 48 hours.

    Russia has been perhaps the Assad regime’s staunchest ally.


    As she noted: “The substance of the text — that the Trump team started focusing on Syria right after the election — has been corroborated and tied to their discussions with Russia at least twice since then.”


    Wheeler won’t say when she went to the FBI other than that it was in 2017.

    In December 2017, Flynn flipped, pleading guilty to one count of lying to the FBI about his contact with the Russian government during the presidential transition; Trump had fired him in February.


    In addition to the knowledge of her source’s inside information, Wheeler said, she had reason to believe that the source was involved with efforts to compromise her website and other communications.

    And perhaps most important, that he was involved in cyberattacks — past and future — that had done and could do real harm to innocent people.

    In a new interview with Pod Save America, Wheeler elaborated, claiming that

    Mueller is “sitting on a lot” and that we’re bound to see some big plot twists before this is all over.


    For instance, when asked if most of the information that’s bound to eventually become public is already out there, Wheeler indicated that there’s still plenty to be revealed:

    “Well, my part’s going to be a surprise for virtually everyone, but some of what I know was in public.

    Some of what I went to the FBI with was, ‘Hey, look at this that’s public.’

    I just was looking at it from a very different perspective than a lot of people.

    And that’s part of the core case, I think.

    Again, the reason I went to the FBI is because this person played a significant role in the election attack,

    not because … he sent me a text 15 hours after the polls closed making it very clear

    he knew exactly what was going on inside the White House.

    And this is not a Republican and not somebody who has any ties to Trump. ...


    “I assume it must be true that there are many witnesses like me who were witnesses to stuff that nobody knows about,

    who were watching people who no one’s paying attention to who were part of this, and

    so yeah, I suspect that that kind of case is going to be pretty surprising and pretty strong.


    “I mean, I’ve said that I never talked to Peter Strzok, who is the FBI agent that Trump attacked in Helsinki today.

    He wasn’t anywhere near the testimony I gave to the FBI;

    I wasn’t actually speaking to the Mueller inquiry when I did, and I can point to things that, between what I told the FBI and what I found, you know, shortly thereafter lying out there in public,

    I can get right to Trump, and I assume that’s true by a number of means, and therefore

    … Mueller is sitting on a lot, and he, I think, is going to roll it out.

    And if today is any indication, I mean,

    finally we’ve got Republicans saying this is beyond the pale,

    we cannot have a president subject himself to a hostile foreign power like

    Trump did today. I think we might see some momentum finally turning against Trump.”

    When asked if the revelations in Mueller’s report will ultimately be jaw-dropping, like The Sixth Sense, or a disappointment, like The Village, Wheeler said this:

    “I think there are some big plot twists.

    I did a series some months ago when the questions that Mueller wants Trump to answer came out, and I laid it out.

    This is clear quid pro quo.

    They went to Trump and said,

    ‘We’ll help you.

    We want sanctions relief,

    we want Syria,

    throw in Ukraine,

    maybe we’ll throw in a Trump Tower.’


    And that’s it;

    that is the basic equation we’re talking about.”

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...tting-on-a-lot

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    Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...skeptic-219022

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    Dance, Marionetka!

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    Yes I did, THERE WAS CULOSION HER MA FIELNG!!!!

    And nothing yet, all fart clouds of a really weak and tiring agenda.
    You don’t have to buy Jonathan Chait’s sleeper agent theory of Trump to believe that something is deeply weird about all this. Nor do you need to be convinced that Putin is hanging onto a recording of something untoward that may have taken place in a certain Moscow hotel room. You don’t even have to buy the theory that Trump’s business is overly dependent on illicit flows of Russia money, giving Putin leverage. As Julia Ioffe posits, the kompromat could well be the mere fact of the Russian election meddling itself.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...skeptic-219022

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    I generally agree Russia's efforts had little overall effect, but it wasn't for a lack of trying. The question is, whether we should put up with active efforts of an intelligence agency of a foreign government to attack the very idea of democracy itself. Western liberal democracy is under threat from authoritarian regimes. That is important.

    There is also the matter that the sitting president appears to be actively compromised by that same government.

    But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

    The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

    Fact 1:
    Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

    Fact 2:
    Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened, and has gone so far as to take the extraordinary effort to delegitimize his own intelligence services when they something did happen. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

    Fact 3:
    Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

    Fact 4:
    Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

    Fact 5:
    Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

    Fact 6:
    Donald Trump has gone out of his way to meet and talk with Putin privately in person, with no American witnesses. This is the only leader with which he has acted in this manner.

    Fact 7:
    Donald Trump, when forced to sign a bipartisan sanctions bill passed with a veto-proof majority of both houses of Congress, issued a signing statement saying most of it was uncons utional, and that his administration would enforce it as little as possible.


    Fact 8:
    when Russia retaliated against sanctions by forcing the US embassy to cut staff, Trump thanked Putin for the action, making him look weak, something he has said one should never do, and is inconsistent with his past behavior in any other regard.

    Theory:
    Donald Trump has been compromised in some way. Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about.

    This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

    Prediction:
    Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


    The way to falsify the theory:
    1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
    2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

    Bull conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

    Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia.

    xylophone

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    uh oh

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    uh oh
    Is your conspiracy theory now that Flynn pleaded guilty as a king spook operation again?

    I've lost track of your flip-flopping.

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    A top official just issued a stark warning about Russia.

    To this White House, he’s ‘gone rogue.’

    White House advisers are in an “uproar” over an interview that Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats gave to NBC News on Thursday

    After all,

    Coats starkly warned that Russia is currently trying to “wreak havoc over our elections” — meaning Russia is trying to do this right now —

    and is working to “divide us” from our “allies.”

    No wonder White House advisers are worked up —

    after all, Russia already got away with sabotaging our last election, and they’re trying to do it again.


    Okay, I’m kidding.

    Here’s what
    really upset them about this Coats interview:

    Inside the White House, [President] Trump’s advisers were in an uproar over Coats’s interview in Aspen, Colo.

    They said the optics were especially damaging,

    noting that at moments Coats appeared to be laughing at the president,

    playing to his audience of the intellectual elite in a manner that was sure to infuriate Trump.


    “Coats has gone rogue,” said one senior White House official,

    who spoke on the condition of anonymity to provide a candid assessment.

    The director of national intelligence issued an extensive warning that Russia is again trying to corrupt U.S. democracy,

    and White House advisers are worried that Trump will be angered by his tone.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.860e6aa99d3a

    Every ING WEEK ...

    Meanwhile, the kakistocracy Exec branch, the Repug Congress, right wing ideological Judicial branch up America for decades to come.




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