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    So some new Minsk Agreements.

    You already admitted he broke those.

    Why will Putin, whom you've totally figured out and whose actions you can predict accurately, go along with this new set of agreements you demand?
    He won't & he shouldn't. America doesn't hold with their . Russia doesn't hold with their .

    America/Russia; Six of one/half dozen of the other.

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    So some new Minsk Agreements.

    You already admitted he broke those.

    Why will Putin, whom you've totally figured out and whose actions you can predict accurately, go along with this new set of agreements you demand?
    Because Ukraine will have what it needs to defend its remaining territory. That’s a deterrent.

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    Because Ukraine will have what it needs to defend its remaining territory. That’s a deterrent.
    & it weighs out at 80% give or take! I'm sure Poot will give back the Zap plant while keeping the Southern water.

    Z will lose though. He swore on the Bible (Nazi Edition) that peace would only prevail once Russia left every square inch of Nazi held Ukraine.

    & I'm holding him to that...so help me God.

    Let us proceed...

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    Because Ukraine will have what it needs to defend its remaining territory. That’s a deterrent.
    You just said that Russia will always have more men and resources to pour into a conflict than Ukraine and Ukraine could never win.

    Now you say they won't if we just give in to Putin now.

    Pick a lane.

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    Well, Biden warned 'em, huh, v?"

    tee, hee.

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    You just said that Russia will always have more men and resources to pour into a conflict than Ukraine and Ukraine could never win.

    Now you say they won't if we just give in to Putin now.

    Pick a lane.
    I said Ukraine will never reclaim all its territory in a counter-offensive that consumes huge resources. It we support Ukraine, then they can at least hold what they currently have.

    It's really simple.

    But you want the war to continue so you will continue your anger against imagined positions that I don't actually hold.

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    I said Ukraine will never reclaim all its territory in a counter-offensive that consumes huge resources. It we support Ukraine, then they can at least hold what they currently have.

    It's really simple.

    But you want the war to continue so you will continue your anger against imagined positions that I don't actually hold.
    Your positions change with every post.

    It's really simple.

    You think a new agreement will work because Putin will then not be able to defeat Ukraine militarily. You think we should enter that agreement because Putin is now able to defeat Ukraine militarily.

    The disconnect is yours.

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    Your positions change with every post.
    The positions you imagine I hold change with every post. What is so confusing?

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    Just be grateful, Effy, your clock is spotless.
    tee, hee.

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    The positions you imagine I hold change with every post. What is so confusing?
    You think a new agreement will work because Putin will then not be able to defeat Ukraine militarily. You think we should enter that agreement because Putin is now able to defeat Ukraine militarily.

    The disconnect is yours.

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    You think a new agreement will work because Putin will then not be able to defeat Ukraine militarily. You think we should enter that agreement because Putin is now able to defeat Ukraine militarily.

    The disconnect is yours.
    I think Ukraine should enter the agreement because the counter-offensive is wasting resources and not going to be a success -- not because Russia is going to defeat Ukraine and control the whole country.

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    I think Ukraine should enter the agreement because the counter-offensive is wasting resources and not going to be a success -- not because Russia is going to defeat Ukraine and control the whole country.
    Why did Russia occupy Kharkiv and try to advance on Kyiv?

    Land bridge?

    Why does he say Ukraine isn't a country?

    Explain Putin's strategy since you know everything about him.

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    Why did Russia occupy Kharkiv and try to advance on Kyiv?

    Land bridge?

    Why does he say Ukraine isn't a country?

    Explain Putin's strategy since you know everything about him.
    I don't need to know everything about him. I know he can't control all of Ukraine and you know it too.

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    I mean all Russia has to do is wait a few years then try it again.

    And you'll be right there wanting to give them, what, a bigger land bridge?

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    I don't need to know everything about him. I know he can't control all of Ukraine and you know it too.
    Why not?

    The Soviet Union did.

    What's to stop Putin from launching another attack on Kyiv to try to kill all the leadership there and install a puppet?

    Hitler didn't occupy all of France but he certainly controlled it through the Vichy government.

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    I mean all Russia has to do is wait a few years then try it again.

    And you'll be right there wanting to give them, what, a bigger land bridge?
    You could say the same thing even if Ukraine did kick them out entirely. And you know that too.

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    Why not?

    The Soviet Union did.
    The Soviet Union is dead and Russia is not a military superpower.

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    Chump having a rough day, take it easy on the poor fella

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    You could say the same thing even if Ukraine did kick them out entirely. And you know that too.
    That's where NATO comes in. Only NATO membership is a real deterrent.

    The Soviet Union is dead and Russia is not a military superpower.
    But it has infinite military capacity for Ukraine according to you.

    You constantly on your own arguments.

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    Chump having a rough day, take it easy on the poor fella
    you're terrified of women.

    Rough life.

    Post hundreds of memes to soothe yourself.

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    You could say the same thing even if Ukraine did kick them out entirely. And you know that too.
    A Ukrainian victory and joining NATO would put a stop to putler.
    Last edited by Ef-man; 09-28-2023 at 02:39 PM.

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    That's where NATO comes in. Only NATO membership is a real deterrent.
    They can have NATO membership covering the territory they control now without retaking Crimea. And you know that.

    And of course with NATO membership, now huge numbers of American lives are on the line. So to deter, Putin has to believe we're willing to go to war for him over Ukraine. Are we?

    But it has infinite military capacity for Ukraine according to you.
    Please quote me where I said Russia has "infinite" military capacity. You simply lie your ass off.

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