"open borders Biden/Harris"
"invasion"
Last edited by Winehole23; 09-26-2024 at 11:59 AM.
no lie detected
the current Biden/Harris policy is more restrictive than Trump's was while he was president
https://x.com/Alexander_Avina/status...94419720343579
Gonna keep saying it, Republicans are objectively wrong on this issue, immigration is per se good.
Y'all been demagogued.
https://x.com/JustinWolfers/status/1841809423242588204
I have a good friend that works at the fed
He told me that immigrants saved the US from a recession last year
It's great that Joe and Kammy have cleaned it up for the election.
However as recently as 8 months ago they were dumping off busloads of immis at San Diego trolly stops.
Yep. "You're in the U.S., go for it."
if you want an orderly immigration system, there need to be clear legal pathways to US residency and more immigration judges to process applicants. it's not some super complicated, insoluble mess.
Food prices were definitely impacted.
The price of MD blue crab meat went up as the number of migrant visas (H-2Bs) to process them went down as there were not enough US workers.
NO NO DEPORT THEM ALL BECAUSE MY PETS IN SPRINGFIELD ARE DELICIOUS
Goddam talk radio and 24 hour right wing TV "libs are the devil" are destroying this country
Present progressive fear mongering is objectively true, but seems unduly restrictive...the right wing media demonization of liberals picked up a long time ago, in the 1990s -- even though by then the Dems had already joined their movement, so to speak: donor facing, ethically flexible, pro-corporate candidates on both sides.
Yah that was the decade that Limbaugh really picked up steam. Every move that Clinton made he was able to cover 3 hours, spraying his radio mic with drops a hate filled saliva. And the right ate it up and wanted more.
You're right about the right wanting more, J6 was just a warmup/networking event.
Mish is a Trump supporter.
Mish thinks mass deportation is a bad idea.
tl;dr
Costs too much, socially disruptive, leaves us worse off economically than before.
What Would Trump’s Mass Deportation of Immigrants Cost? – MishTalkThe American Immigration Council (AIC) estimates the total cost of deportation (not counting the knock on impacts) at $315 billion.
That’s about $21,000 per person. I suspect that answer is on the low side.
...
No one knows what Trump really has in mind, but let’s assume he means the max or something like 2/3 the max, ~10 million.
Devastating Consequences
In total, we find that the cost of a one-time mass deportation operation aimed at both those populations—an estimated total of is at least $315 billion. We wish to emphasize that this figure is a highly conservative estimate. It does not take into account the long-term costs of a sustained mass deportation operation or the incalculable additional costs necessary to acquire the ins utional capacity to remove over 13 million people in a short period of time—incalculable because there is simply no reality in which such a singular operation is possible.Case Study: The Impact of Senate Bill 1718 on Florida
Beyond the direct financial cost of mass deportation, we also estimated the impact on the U.S. economy. Due to the loss of workers across U.S. industries, we found that mass deportation would reduce the U.S. gross domestic product (GDP) by 4.2 to 6.8 percent. It would also result in significant reduction in tax revenues for the U.S. government. In 2022 alone, undo ented immigrant households paid $46.8 billion in federal taxes and $29.3 billion in state and local taxes. Undo ented immigrants also contributed $22.6 billion to Social Security and $5.7 billion to Medicare.
Mass deportations would cause significant labor shocks across multiple key industries, with especially acute impacts on construction, agriculture, and the hospitality sector. We estimate that nearly 14 percent of people employed in the construction industry are undo ented. Removing that labor would disrupt all forms of construction across the nation, from homes to businesses to basic infrastructure. As industries suffer, hundreds of thousands of U.S.-born workers could lose their jobs.
These numbers do not even come close to capturing the human cost of mass deportation. About 5.1 million U.S. citizen children live with an undo ented family member. Separating family members would lead to tremendous emotional stress and could also cause economic hardship for many of these mixed-status families who might lose their breadwinners, jeopardizing their economic and social well-being.
Deporting undo ented workers would wreak havoc on industry, exacerbating labor shortages and triggering additional job losses for American workers. For example, if a shortage of construction workers prevents a house from getting built, the businesses that would be furnishing that house—from kitchen appliances to bedframes—lose business, too. Without field workers to pick crops, truckers have no goods to transport, and farmers have no need to buy new farm equipment.
Proponents of mass deportation of undo ented immigrants argue that it would raise wages for American workers. But past economic research suggests the opposite is true. In a literature review, economist Michael A. Clemens of George Mason University concludes that “the immigrants being targeted for removal are the lifeblood of several parts of the U.S. economy.”
One 2023 study looked at the economic effects of increased deportations under Secure Communities, a federal initiative that resulted in the deportation of an estimated 400,000 immigrants between 2008 and 2014, and found that when 500,000 undo ented immigrant workers were forced out of the country, 44,000 fewer jobs were held by U.S.-born workers.
Florida recently implemented legislation targeting undo ented immigrants, with repercussions that surprised even the lawmakers who had supported it—and illustrate that, inevitably, hardline immigration enforcement measures will have negative economic impacts on U.S. citizens.
In May 2023, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 1718 into law. SB 1718 requires private businesses with 25 or more employees to use the federal E-Verify database to screen new workers; makes it a felony to transport an undo ented immigrant into the state or for an undo ented immigrant to use a false ID to obtain work; and prohibits undo ented immigrants from driving with an out-of-state license, among other provisions.
Even before the law went into effect that July, undo ented immigrants began moving out of state, afraid and unable to work. Within months, farmers, builders, restaurants, hotels, and other businesses in the state complained of worker shortages. Even people with legal work authorization moved, worried for their undo ented family members.
“They’re just picking up and leaving to a state where they’re more friendly towards migrants, where they don’t have to be looking over their shoulder every 10 seconds and saying, ‘Look, I’m going … to be deported,’” Greg Batista, owner of G. Batista Engineering & Construction, told the Tampa Bay Times.
Construction projects stalled, fruit rotted in the fields, hotels and restaurants fired staff and put up “Help Wanted” signs. Rental units were left empty, and businesses lost customers. Walt Disney World had trouble finding cast members. State representatives who had themselves supported the legislation publicly appealed to immigrants not to leave.
Florida’s experience provides a small peek into how a national mass deportation of undo ented immigrants would have more significant impact across states and economic sectors in the U.S. economy. While Florida is home to a higher share of undo ented immigrants than most states—five percent compared with the national average of 3.3 percent—its outsized reliance on undo ented immigrant workers is not atypical.
The negative impact of targeting undo ented immigrants with anti-immigration policies in Florida should not have come as a surprise. When Georgia enacted similar legislation in 2011, the ensuing labor shortage resulted in an estimated $140 million in crop losses that year alone.
In Arizona, legislators stopped short of expanding its law targeting undo ented immigrants in 2010 after opposition from business leaders. Economists estimated an exodus of the undo ented population would shrink Arizona’s economy by $48.8 billion annually, cost the state 10.1 percent of its tax revenues, and lead to the loss of 581,000 jobs, affecting all Arizonans.
Commie at the Cato Ins ute with the goods on Trump's soft on crime immigration policy
Seems clearer and clearer over time that Obama and Biden were both tougher on immigration than Trump.
wE cAnT fIx ThE bOrDeR wItHoUt a BiLl
No new wall?
And yes, you still need a bill to fix immigration.
...until then Trump's way here will & shall suffice.
Let us proceed...
it was always propaganda and bull
if it weren't, Texas Republicans wouldn't turn their backs on it like this
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/06...-abbott-trump/Four years after Gov. Greg Abbott announced Texas would be the first state to build its own border wall, lawmakers have quietly stopped funding the project, leaving only scattered segments covering a small fraction of the border.
That decision, made in the waning hours of this year’s legislative session, leaves the future of the state wall unclear. Just 8% of the 805 miles the state identified for construction is complete, which has cost taxpayers more than $3 billion to date. The Texas Tribune reported last year that the wall is full of gaps that migrants and smugglers can easily walk around and mostly concentrated on sprawling ranches in rural areas, where illegal border crossings are less likely to occur.
before Trumplandia's immigrant dragnet, parolees and asylees were attending over 98% of their immigration hearings
they're also less likely to commit crimes, receipts itt
From 2005 to 2019, refugees and asylees paid a total of $123.8 billion more in taxes than they cost in government services, for a net fiscal gain of $31.5 billion to the federal government and $92.3 billion to state and local governments combined. Refugees and asylees paid an estimated $363 billion to the federal government through payroll, income, and excise taxes, and $218 billion to state and local governments through income, sales, and property taxes.
Even when factoring in their spouses and children under 18, many of whom are U.S. citizens, refugees and asylees still provided a net fiscal gain, costing $723.4 billion in government services yet paying $739.4 billion in tax revenue, for a net gain of $16 billion.https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...han-they-cost/While recently arrived refugees and asylees tend to have lower employment levels and household incomes than the U.S. population as a whole, after 10 years their incomes are comparable and their employment rates exceed that of the U.S. average. The report found that in an average year, 57.2% of people in the United States of prime working age, or between the ages of 25 and 64, were employed full-time. Among prime-working-age refugees and asylees, just 43% of those who had arrived within five years were employed full-time. But those who had been in the United States for 10 years or more had a 60% full-time employment rate, slightly higher than the U.S. average.
Similarly, while refugees and asylees in the country for less than five years had higher annual poverty rates than the U.S. average (33.9% vs. 13.2%), those rates had dropped to 14.4% on average for refugees and asylees in the country 10 years or more. After 10 years, the average annual household income of refugees and asylees was not statistically different from the average for all U.S. residents, approximately $59,000. Their individual net fiscal impacts were also comparable. Over the 15-year period, refugees and asylees paid slightly more per capita in annual taxes than the U.S. population as a whole ($12,989 vs $12,674) and used slightly less per capita in annual government expenditures ($10,222 vs $10,416).
I think Mish still supports Trump
Homan and Noam and their various deputized officers have driven them mostly underground, the incentive to earn is strongbefore Trumplandia's immigrant dragnet, parolees and asylees were attending over 98% of their immigration hearings
People like this need to be impeached and never hold office again
it can happen after they are beaten in the next national election
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