Stealquille O'Neal

[DPG21920]

Yes, but if they do win 47 games, it'll be because Amare stayed healthy and because Gentry is leaps and bounds better than Terry Porter. it won't be because Robin Lopez gave them something Shaq didn't.

Not the point. You cannot take and give credit as you please. If they moved Shaq, and they are better, the question is answered, whether you like it or not.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

How much is a ring really worth if he has to go pull a Malone and Payton and try to do it as a role player on a powerhouse team in the twilight of his career?

In my mind, it would mean a lot, but I'm probably in the minority there. I would want it to convince myself I was capable of playing a certain role on a team that won it all. I would want to retire knowing I'm not a player who's ego ruined his chance to ever win a championship That would change if I went from doing what Payton and Malone did to doing what Kevin Willis and Robert Parish did with the Bulls, at that point I'd call it a career.

[Findog]

In my mind, it would mean a lot, but I'm probably in the minority there. I would want it to convince myself I was capable of playing a certain role on a team that won it all. I would want to retire knowing I'm not a player who's ego ruined his chance to ever win a championship That would change if I went from doing what Payton and Malone did to doing what Kevin Willis and Robert Parish did with the Bulls, at that point I'd call it a career.

I think Nash at this point in his career could be a dynamite 6th man for a le team. He doesn't actually have to sign with Boston or Orlando to prove that point. I'm sure he'd much rather try to win one with PHX than anywhere else.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Not the point. You cannot take and give credit as you please.

When did I ever give credit to Shaq?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I think Nash at this point in his career could be a dynamite 6th man for a le team. He doesn't actually have to sign with Boston or Orlando to prove that point. I'm sure he'd much rather try to win one with PHX than anywhere else.

We both know he didn't sign that extension to win a le in Phoenix.

And in my opinion, it goes beyond Nash proving he's good enough to be the 6th man on a le team. Obviously he's good enough to be that. My question is whether he's enough of a team first player who is willing to swallow his pride and take a lesser role.

[DPG21920]

When did I ever give credit to Shaq?

Are you not saying the team is better with Shaq?

[DPG21920]

We both know he didn't sign that extension to win a le in Phoenix.

And in my opinion, it goes beyond Nash proving he's good enough to be the 6th man on a le team. Obviously he's good enough to be that. My question is whether he's enough of a team first player who is willing to swallow his pride and take a lesser role.

What I do not understand is why you seemingly blame Nash. Obviously, the Suns thought he was worth that much. They did not have to offer that contract, and they could have told him that they want him to take a lesser role.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Are you not saying the team is better with Shaq?

I'm saying if there was a possible lab experiment to conduct where independent variable was Shaq being on/off the team, the dependent variable was the team's record, with all other variables being set stone so Shaq's presence/absence is the only thing that changes, the team's record would be worse when Shaq was off the team.

When there are factors such as Amare's health, coaching, players who got better with experience/worse with age, there's no way to know what would have caused the Suns impovement/regression from their record a year ago.

If Amare misses the entire season with a career ending eye injury and the Suns win 30 games, will you admit to me Shaq made the team better?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

the Suns thought he was worth that much.

The Suns also thought Robin Lopez was better than his brother and that Goran Dragic is better than Russell Westbrook.

[DPG21920]

Well it is a front office problem, not a Nash one.

[DPG21920]

I'm saying if there was a possible lab experiment to conduct where independent variable was Shaq being on/off the team, the dependent variable was the team's record, with all other variables being set stone so Shaq's presence/absence is the only thing that changes, the team's record would be worse when Shaq was off the team.

When there are factors such as Amare's health, coaching, players who got better with experience/worse with age, there's no way to know what would have caused the Suns impovement/regression from their record a year ago.

If Amare misses the entire season with a career ending eye injury and the Suns win 30 games, will you admit to me Shaq made the team better?

Well then how can you argue anything with regards to Shaq vs Nash. There are no labs and every thing you about has multiple variables.

Use your head.

[BeeGee]

Shaq cause contraversy with a teammate? BLASPHEMY.

[pauls931]

LMAO, this is one long train wreck.

[manufan10]

Q: Have you ever tried out the carts at Ikea? All four wheels turn, and the floors have practically been buffed with a Zamboni. I feel like Tony freakin Hawk hitting 720s in the pillow aisle. This needs to be an X-Games event.
-- Brian, Eugene, Ore.
SG: You just broached on an idea that's going to be the linchpin of my campaign to take over ESPN6: The Self-Created Olympics. For instance, Brian just created his own event -- the Ikea 200-Meter Aisle Dash -- so we head down to an Ikea and he challenges the other customers to beat him in this event. My event (as I have mentioned many times) would be a little like the Long Ball Golf Challenge, only it would be throwing tennis balls down a narrow sidewalk with those plastic tennis ball throwers that they sell in Petco. Not to sound like Mayor Drago, but I cannot be defeated in this event and I WOULD break you. Everyone has one dumb fake sport that they excel in, right? It's a great idea and I can't wait for Shaq to steal it and make me an executive producer well after the fact.

[Chieflion]

The Suns also thought Robin Lopez was better than his brother and that Goran Dragic is better than Russell Westbrook.

You finally admitted it.