Manu back to the bench?

[smeagol]

But they at least seem to have adjusted to the possibility that their countrymen may not necessarily be The Greatest Players Who Ever Walked The Face Of The Earth.

Not my case, Shoog. I know Manu's limitations. He is the best player Argentina has ever produced, that's for sure.

And I also know SA is damn lucky to have him in his roster.

[T Park]

More bluntly, some people wanted them to lose because it was the first all-black Olympic basketball team.

Bull ing .

[ShoogarBear]

I thought Delfino was the best player Argentina has ever produced.

[Das Texan]

Argentines live and die by the play of Manu. The French don't care enough to contribute here in regards to Parker.

Why is that?

QUESTION.

because the french dont give a ?


who the knows really.

[ChumpDumper]

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[MannyIsGod]

California wines > French wines

Actually, for the price....

Argentinian (good Malbecs), Chilean, and even Texas wine beat both.

[smeagol]

I thought Delfino was the best player Argentina has ever produced.

Delfino is talanted but he has to grow up.

Nocioni can be a beast at times.

[Athenea]

Uh, why? Jess was here when I was posting it. I'm the object of her affection (thankfully), that would be Manu.

Don't worry..I'd only touch u w/my katana....and not in a good way

[ChumpDumper]

Something was lost in the translation.

[MannyIsGod]

I see they have video games down in Argentina. Tell me, how has Ninja Gaiden gone for you?

[Athenea]

But they at least seem to have adjusted to the possibility that their countrymen may not necessarily be The Greatest Players Who Ever Walked The Face Of The Earth.

I can't believe u actually think I'm that blind...bad shoo bad
I'm against the move. It's philosophical.
Again Pop is failing at addressing to the real flaws in his system. Whenever he feels in danger he draws back all the offensive evolution made during the season. To sum up:
TD+slasher/penetrator+3pt shooter= early exit
4-donw no matter how (even if TD is not 100%) and that's it.
This move is like a smoke curtain...and once the smoke fades away I truly hopes that the outcome is different from last season.

[Athenea]

Something was lost in the translation.

Get a japanese dictionary, bakkero.

[T Park]

athenea.

You are making no sense.

Let me guess, you think Ginobili should get the majority of the touches, and Duncan should get less, and the offense should revolve around Ginobili.

[ChumpDumper]

TD+slasher/penetrator+3pt shooter= early exit

If the 3pt shooters suck, yes. Barry didn't suck last game. And TD+slasher/penetrator+slasher/penetrator= 17 missed shots in the 4th. Which was better?

I still have yet to see what your alternative would've been.

[Athenea]

Nope. I think the perfect mix of 4-down, motion offense and pick'n roll is the answer.

[ChumpDumper]

Get a japanese dictionary, bakkero.

No, in your anime fog you mistook to whom the "stalker" comment was directed.

It was you.

Hope that helps.

[Athenea]

You live by the 3, u die by the 3...u should know better by now...

[T Park]

[QUOTE]perfect mix of 4-down, motion offense and pick'n roll is the answer.[QUOTE]


That is what they did in game 2.

WTF!?!?!??

[T Park]

You live by the 3, u die by the 3.

Except the Spurs didn't live and die by the three last night.

COME THE ON!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

You live by the 3, u die by the 3...u should know better by now.

If you don't have an outside shot, the opposition can pack the lane, cut off the drivers and mug Duncan. After every loss to the Lakers, u should know better by now.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

can France compete?

You are nowhere near us! Just look at this thread!

Since I began advocating Barry in the starting lineup over Manu, I've encountered how fans of Manu think going to the bench is a demotion. I've tried to explain that it's just a basketball move and has nothing to do with poor play on Manu's part -- but that doesn't seem to do any convincing.

I've come to the conclusion that coming off the bench has a negative conotation in places outside the US. Here, it's not really that big of a deal as long as you get the same number of minutes. I presume in other places, it's some sort of sign of respect.

I respect the fans of Manu, especially the Argentines. May the Spurs win and Manu play well.

Believe.

Not really. In the Argentinian National League players get benched or removed from their starter positions all the time. As a matter of fact, there is a lot less whinning than in the NBA or Europe, because it is not a fully professional league. Guys like Manu, Nocioni, the whole Olympic team, didn't start making real money until they moved to Europe.

This is seen as the unfair thing to do (from many Argentinian posters here, I don't share that view). Because it is usually Manu the one that gets benched. But in my opinion the important thing are his minutes (he definitely can play 35mpg), his contribution to the team to win, and his at ude, because he can fill in so many roles.

Noted.

But then again, how many Spurs fans from France post here? I can count the number on one hand. And honestly, that has always shocked me. France has like twice the population of Argentina and Tony Parker has been with the team longer, but the French don't support him to the same degree as the Argentines support Manu.

Argentines live and die by the play of Manu. The French don't care enough to contribute here in regards to Parker.

Why is that?

QUESTION.

First, Argentina has a bigger tradition in Basketball than France. Argentina won the First World Championship back in 1950. That generation was wasted by political reasons in the Olympics, and since the 1960's the standard became pretty low. Then in the 80's it raised back again, with the creation of a National Leauge that planted the seeds for the current state of things. The current state of the Argentinian basketball it's the best ever in its history, so it's quite expectable that more and more Argentinians will want to discuss it.

Also, Argentinians are way more passionate than French. Sometimes this mindset (or mind , depending the moment ) leads us into blind faith. The average French is more rational than the average Argentinian. Repeat: Rational, that does not mean smarter.

Most of the fans here are more fans of Manu rather than the Spurs. If he ever gets traded, 90% of the Argentinian users would leave. This isn't only happening with Manu; Gasol, Nene, Yao, etc.: the globalization of the NBA has lead into a guy from Siberia supporting the Jazz, for example.

Actually, for the price....

Argentinian (good Malbecs), Chilean, and even Texas wine beat both.

You should try Argentinian Cavernet Sauvignons, very good (and cheap) stuff there.

[Athenea]

Some brilliant quotes from Chumpie in 2003-4

(CD about the benching) Happier than he initailly was, yes--that was the point all along.

Starting is going to happen sooner or later for Manu.

Who's going to offer Manu $50 million?


ChumpDumper
03-07-04, 10:48 PM
As a starter Hedo is 47.5% from the floor and 50.5% from the arc.


ChumpDumper doing a Hedo’s play by play
03-21-04, 01:44 AM
(5:07) Davis Turnover: Bad Pass (3 TO) Steal: [b]Turkoglu (3 ST)
(5:03 =) [SAN 94-81] Parker Layup Shot: Made (15 PTS) Assist: Turkoglu (1 AST)
(4:42) Atkins Jump Shot: Missed
(4:40) [SAN] [b]Turkoglu Rebound (Off:0 Def:5)
(4:28) [SAN 96-81] Turkoglu Jump Shot: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Nesterovic (4 AST)
(4:11) Pierce Turnover: Bad Pass (4 TO) Steal: [b]Turkoglu (4 ST)
(4:03) [SAN] Bowen Jump Shot: Missed
(4:00) [SAN] Rose Rebound (Off:4 Def:2)
(3:48) [SAN 98-81] Rose Layup Shot: Made (13 PTS) Assist: Turkoglu (2 AST)
(3:27) Atkins Layup Shot: Missed
(3:25) [SAN] Nesterovic Rebound (Off:3 Def:5)
(3:14) [SAN 101-81] [b]Turkoglu Jump Shot: Made (5 PTS) Assist: Parker (5 AST)A great, sign to say the least.

ChumpDumper after one of the 1st PO's wins
04-04-04, 10:16 PM
No one is going to buzzkill this win for me.

Who cares about the next one right now?


ChumpDumper
04-10-04, 03:20 PM
Excellent take, cf.

The last 4 games haven't exactly been dream matchups for Hedo.

As long as he doesn't let the other aspects of his game slip, I'm not worried

[Athenea]

Except the Spurs didn't live and die by the three last night.

COME THE ON!!!!!

I take anything coming from a liar and delusional like u w/a grain of salt.

[ChumpDumper]

This is the worst you could find?

Stick to anime.

Took you long enough anyway.

[Athenea]

This is the worst you could find?

Stick to anime.

Took you long enough anyway.

Hahahhaha ohhh now I'm scared hahahaha

PS: I'm just getting started...