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If the IP minimum is too low, where should we put the minimum?
We'll see. I'd predict that despite appearances, my team's WHIP and ERA won't be particularly good and that most weeks, I'll be wishing that I had more SP. In fact, if you think you'd be better off with more RP, please -- by all means -- make me an offer to deal an RP for an SP.
And when my SP have one of those inevitable big run outings, there's not much my relievers will be able to do to offset it.
If Kazmir gives up 5 runs and 12 runners in 5 IP and my 4 closers combine for 4 IP and 0 runs and 6 runners, my ERA for that day will still be 5.00 ((5*9)/9) and my WHIP will still be 2.00 (18 runners/9 IP), despite my relievers being incredible.
True, but again they pitch so few innings compared to starters that they can't do much to offset what the starters do.
I'll tell you again, this isn't an intentional strategy for me, so there's no strategy to discourage -- at least with respect to my team. I'd be a much happier owner if I had more SP and fewer (but better) RP.
If the IP minimum is too low, where should we put the minimum?
At least 40 innings, thats 4 innings total average for all 10 pitchers. Now at 15 innings thats just 1.5 innings per week average. You can start all RP in the P slots without much worry.
If I was going to use that strategy I would have had to go into the draft with that in mind and load up on the RP I wanted to draft not what some other owner wants to trade.
A. I still fundamentally disagree with your concern and think that the structure of my pitching will screw me this season.
B. With that said, I think, given that we've already drafted, it would be unfair to so dramatically increase the IP minimum. If it only affected me, I'd think seriously about agreeing with you. But since others might have relied on that rule -- I don't know -- I'd support an increase, but only to something like 25 or 30 IP.
Hmmm...I'm at work right now, when I get home I'll post my thoughts on it after looking at my roster. I believe I will have to drop some closers I wasted draft picks on to guarantee making that min.
And that is definitely not fair if that is the case. Espeically since the min innings are being reset after the draft.
I think it would be unfair for this season to raise it dramatically. It might be that the league would improve with a higher IP minimum, but at this point, I don't think it can be significantly changed.
Ok I looked. I'm willing to compromise...but no way is 40 fair. Plus I saw it when rascal originally had 30 there. I also saw him trying to find closers on the waiver.
Contrary to the way it may seem rascal, very seldom can you just pitch 15 innings and hold. You usually have to start at least 2 guys to make 15 innings. It's a good strategy and definitely can help you win whip and era or least keep you compe ive in those categories but it's not automatic. And sometimes you have to win k's and w's anyway.
I think maybe 5 times I have tried to win a week with the minimum and it usually doesn't work.
And you made a great point about SP mattering...at the same time, RP shouldn't just be a one stat position. I mean if we get tatooed on our closers it's going to blow our ERA up...so why shouldn't we be able to benefit when they are good? And RP will do nothing at 40...plus I do not think I can guarantee 40 IP.
So in the spirit of compromise, and every one is free to input on this btw...
You want 40, the minimum is 15, I know you are willing to settle for 30, I say half the distance between 15 and 40 which would be 28. That leaves a one point difference, we give half and you give half and set minimum at 29ip?
That's my impression of what is fair. Since you don't know for sure closers are going to pitch, that basically means we have to start at least 4 pitchers that go 7+innings.
Seems fair to me.
I do not know if FWDT or you or anyone else will agree with it...but that is my suggestion.
FWDT, if you see any flaws in that be sure and let know. I am sleepy so I certainly could be overlooking something. That's just a suggestion on my part.
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You cannot make as big a rule change as this after teams have drafted there players..But then again, since I have only 1 RP, why not..
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The professional arbiter is pondering. 29 may be a little bit high, but I will go with the will of the people...unless it's too high.
I also agree that it doesn't seem fair to change the rules after the draft. If the group wants an increase, I will go with it but only if it's a small one. 30IP from 15 seems like a lot to me.
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29 is better than 15.
15 innings is too low.
With 15 thats only 1.5 innings per pitcher average. You can start 2 sp and all the rest RP and make that easily.
Most starters will get you 160+ innings a year. So divide 160(and thats a conservative number since many sp will post even more innings) by the number of weeks in our schedule(I dont have that now) then muliply by 5 which is half the roster spots for pitchers. That does not even consider the 5 RP spots which will also add to the innings and you see 29 is a very conservative number. 15 is too low and doesn't make sense at all unless stacking RP is ok with the league.
I still say building a strong stafff which includes SP and RP should be the goal for the league to strive for. Not trying to win by skimming a rule loophole to get an advantage.
that doesn't work anyways. Timvp tried it last year and it only worked a couple weeks. All it took was for one of his RP to give up 2 runs and he had a ERA over 6.
Also, I know FWD was looking for a way to keep owners involved all the way towards the end. I guess you could do the system my football league uses, but we don't have a huge money pool to make it as worthwhile.
What we do is we each pay $100. So the prize money is $1200, and we use this payout:
1. $425
2. $250
3. $175
4. $100
5. $75
6. $50
7. $32.50
8. $32.50
9. $25
10. $22.50
11. $12.50
12. nothing
so no matter where you are you are competing for money if you can move your way up. If you leave your team you risk not getting anything. I don't think this will work for this league since our pool isn't that big, but maybe something to think about
also, nobody has the lineup to punt Wins, Saves and Strikeouts. Timvp's was the best as being suited for it, and he still couldn't pull it off. Nobody in this league has a lineup that is even close to being good enough to punt 3 categories.
the only person who is somewhat close is A-Train, but he is punting steals, and he doesn't even have any RP's anyways.
How much money is it? and how do i pay?
Yeah I am not set in stone on a 15 inning minimum...especially since I have never just had a 15 inning week.
I mean you do realize that minimum innings doesn't just favor people strong in closers...it's just as easy for a guy with no closers to shut his staff down after his pitchers throw 2 shutouts.
Shutting your staff once the minimum is reached down automatically concedes w and k. It's basically a trade of ERA and Whip for W and K....except for the fact that it doesn't guarantee winning whip and era, it just guarantees losing w and k usually.
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The reason it didn't work that well for timvp is because he was trying to use exclusively Dominican relievers....and didn't even have all the good Dominican relivers. It could have worked better for him than it did...
Basically anyone has the option of shutting down their staff to try to lock in a win in whip and ERA if they want once the min is reached...but it's usually only a fool proof strategy if you feel you can win the offensive categories.
But yeah say you got 5 closers and you try to reach the 15 min with them? What are the odds of getting 15 innings from 5 closers without one of them having a bad inning(which usually jacks your ERA to about 15).
Mariano Rivera is from Panama
And Alex Rodriguez is from New York.
and David Ortiz is from Boston
No I mean Alex Rodriguez is actually from New York. Born there.
It's the heritage. Mariano has Dominican heritage so in timvp's book he was Dominican.
Timvp wasn't born in the Dominican Republica either, I don't think. He just has Dominican heritage.
What was the funny was the first year of this league once the playoffs hit when timvp tried that...who knew Greg Maddux had Dominican heritage?
David Ortiz was born in Boston, listen to his accent
and Albert Pujajoles is from Kansas City
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