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I'm talking about people who WANT to sign up, but can't. That is different from deciding they DON'T WANT to sign up. Try to keep up.
I think it comes out of their tax refund. don't have to sign up if you decide to pay the penalty. She's probably talking about validating exchange clients' income level
I'm talking about people who WANT to sign up, but can't. That is different from deciding they DON'T WANT to sign up. Try to keep up.
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Hannity Calls The Shutdown He Campaigned For "The Obama-Reid Shutdown"
After insisting that House Republicans hold the line on budget negotiations, Fox News' Sean Hannity used the resulting government shutdown to attack Democrats, labeling it the "Obama-Reid shutdown."
On the October 9 edition of his Fox show, Hannity labeled the government shutdown the "Obama-Reid shutdown," claiming the Obama administration is targeting veterans and children with cancer as a way to cause political pain:
Hannity was one of the loudest voices in the right-wing media urging the House Republicans not to give in, even if it meant shutting down the government. On the October 1 edition of his radio show, Hannity said, "My advice to the Republicans: Hold the line. Stand on your principles. Stand with the American people. Stand for the best health care system."
Later that day on his Fox News program, Hannity told Sen. Rand Paul that he Republicans should not "give in at all" and "sit it out" even if the shutdown lasted months:
HANNITY: I think the worst outcome, though, for the Republicans in the House at this point -- as they have been reasonable and the president totally unreasonable, Reid unreasonable -- is to cave. I don't think they should give in at all. And if that means that they're going to sit this out for a month or two months or however long the president wants to be arrogant and not talk to anybody, then just sit it out.
In March, Hannity urged Republicans to shut the government down as a way to repeal the Affordable Care Act:
HANNITY: Republicans right now, if they really want to -- not just symbolically -- if they want to repeal health care, Dr. [Ben] Carson, Obamacare, they've got to shut the government down and be labeled 'the full faith and credit of the United States is in jeopardy.' Which is not true. But if they really want to do that, that's what it will take. I want them to do it.
While he has been one of the shutdown's foremost supporters, Hannity is far from the only right-wing media figure to advocate for it. His Fox colleagues Laura Ingraham, Erick Erickson, Sarah Palin, and Todd Starnes have all promoted the shutdown as a way to defund or repeal the Affordable Care Act.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10...-for-th/196384
MMA -slaps Fox Repug Tea Bagger Propaganda network daily.
Are your movies as devoid of original thought as your forum posts?
I'm angry sa210 posted some truth!
I'm not angry at all. You'd commented that you're a filmmaker. I assumed someone in a creative field like filmmaking would demonstrate more original thought than what I've seen from you. I'd challenge you to point to a single post where you've demonstrated original though. I can honestly say, I can't recall a single one, and you post quite a bit.
Prophetic words from Mr. Blinky
Yep, I'm angry and can't think for myself. I'm so mad sa210 can think for himself and not follow or defend the status quo like I do
^solid analysis as always. Nice chatting with you 210
You guys just need to simma down now. The world isn't going to end because the government is still shutdown or the fact that Obamacare is ty. America supposedly has a 16 trillion dollar deficit yet America still functions. Personally, I doubt that number. I wouldn't be surprised if America wasn't in debt at all. I wouldn't be surprised if it's some scare tactic by the GOP and Democrats to get us to vote for them.
If we stop paying interest on treasury bonds then some serious is going to hit the fan. The entire notion of equity becomes questionable.
I still doubt it. I've gotten to the point where I don't believe anything that Congress or Obama says. It's all bull in my opinion.
Um, the deficit is not 16 trillion dollars.
It actually fell quite drastically in the first part of the year, simply due to revenues catching up to expenses.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3745096.htmlWASHINGTON -- The government on Monday reported a $97.6 billion deficit for July but remains on track to post its lowest annual budget gap in five years.
July's figure raises the deficit so far for the 2013 budget year to $607.4 billion, the government says. That's 37.6 percent below the $973.8 billion deficit for the first 10 months of the 2012 budget year.
The Congressional Budget Office has forecast that the annual deficit will be $670 billion when the budget year ends Sept. 30, far below last year's $1.09 trillion. It would mark the first year that the gap between spending and revenue has been below $1 trillion since 2008.
I doubt that America even has a deficit. How can you trust these pieces of in Congress anyways?
Repugs have lost both the shutdown and the deb ceiling, -slapped by Obama and even by wimps like Reid and Pelosi.
Repugs are BEGGING for a way-out, and the Dems are giving them none.
Barry tonight said no to a 6-week debt ceiling extension.
If I were Barry:
Repugs, to start the "conversation", GFY
The ONLY deal I will accept is complete suspension of the debt ceiling at all until 20 Jan 2017, I spend whatever you want, the Treasury will finance it.
Since you rejected our current budget offer, Boner even accepted it from Reid a few months ago then reneged, the only budget number the Dems accept now is $1.4T
oh, before I forget, have a nice day and GFY
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merica supposedly has a 16 trillion dollar deficit yet America still functions. Personally, I doubt that number. I wouldn't be surprised if America wasn't in debt at all. I wouldn't be surprised if it's some scare tactic by the GOP and Democrats to get us to vote for them.
Fed could wipe out over 1 trillion dollars in debt with the stroke of a pen...
t-bills held by Federal Reserve banks. Thanks to QE and other programs, the amount has gone up from 800 billion in 2008 to almost 2 trillion today. The Fed created money to buy these from the financial sector in the various QE programs, as a means of pumping money into the sector. The economic impact may have been negligible, but the world didn't end. So now it holds 2 trillion in U.S. debt. How about it just retires a trillion this week?
GOP’s white-on-white war: Shutdown ruptures party’s all-white coalition
On Wednesday, the bottom fell out of the GOP’s Hail Mary “shut down the government over Obamacare” strategy.
Perhaps not coincidentally, it was also the day that the party’s leaders tried to revise and soften the terms of the fight — to make it about broader fiscal issues, which is what they wanted it to be about in the first place .
Earlier this year, when the party reached a crossroads between becoming a more ethnically inclusive, moderate party, and doubling down on its whites-only strategy, it chose the latter. This shutdown fight, intentionally or otherwise stands to rupture the white-white coalition.
The GOP has instead reprised the “monochromatic insularity” blueprint that served it so well in 2012. It’s a strategy that might pay off in a midterm. But to have the faintest hope of winning a national election, a party of white people for white people must truly serve the interests of white people.
Maybe in the days ahead, once the government is reopened and the risk of immediate default has passed, Republicans will walk away from the past month’s events and pretend they never happened. The Obamacare defunders chastened. The establishment just grateful to have the latest embarrassment behind them.
If that’s the plan, they could spend the next year or three repairing the damage. But they’ve made it very hard to extract themselves from this cycle of brinkmanship. And if the only way for them to end it is to spearhead a campaign to swap sequestration with cuts to so-called en lements, while Obamacare finds its sea legs, they’ll lose the activists, the marginally attached, and everyone in between.
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/10/the_...ite_coalition/
Dont believe anything you read.
Have you ever been to Spain? No?
How do you know it really exists?
Abraham Lincoln was a big lie created by dwarfs...
Risky Business: Corporate Leaders Bemoan Tea Party Default Crisis Created By Their Own Donations
America’s great minds of business and finance have reached a consensus on the government shutdown and worse, the prospect of a debt default: While the latter is worse, both are bad. Those same great minds are well aware how the shutdown came to pass and why default still looms on the horizon, whether next week, next month, or next year.
Yes, the frightened corporate leaders surely know how this happened — because their money funded the Tea Party candidates and organizations responsible for the crisis.
Consider Rep. Ted Yoho (R-FL), a Tea Party freshman whose outspoken stupidity on a default’s potential benefits, such as an improved U.S. credit rating, has provided a bit of dark humor in these dark days. Yoho, a large-animal veterinarian, announced months ago that he would never vote to raise the debt ceiling.
Like most Republican candidates, he had no problem raising contributions from business interests, notably including contractors, insurance companies, manufacturers and agricultural processors — all of which presumably share the horror of default expressed by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. But no doubt Yoho parroted the usual right-wing clichés about taxes, regulation, labor, and health care, so all the business guys wrote a check without caring that Yoho is an ignorant yobbo.
Or consider Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN), who came to embody the idiocy of the shutdown when he declared “we’re not going to be disrespected” by the White House, but couldn’t articulate precisely what Republicans needed in order to reopen the government and avoid default. Another low-wattage Tea Party newcomer, Stutzman likewise raised plenty of money from commercial banks, real estate firms, insurance companies, and various manufacturers. Why do these executives write checks to elect someone like him?
Then there are the Tea Party leaders in the upper chamber, including such adornments of democracy as Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) and of course Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX). Johnson says there need be no debt default, no matter what Congress does, while Cruz, the “Defund Obamacare” mastermind, is more culpable than any other single legislator for the paralysis gripping Washington and the country.
Johnson’s top donors include an investment firm called Fiduciary Management, Inc., ironically enough, as well as Northwestern Mutual, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Mass Mutual Life Insurance, and naturally, Koch Industries (which now claims, disingenuously, that it doesn’t favor the Cruz shutdown strategy or a debt default).
As for Cruz, guess who paid for his campaign? Very close to the top of the list of donors for the despised Texan is none other than Goldman Sachs — whose chairman Lloyd Blankfein showed up at the White House a few days ago to bemoan the catastrophic threat of default. Not only did Blankfein and his fellow bankers warn of what might happen if America breaches its full faith and credit, but he even hinted that the fault lies with Republican hostage takers. Which is only partially right, because Blankfein and his fellow financiers need to look in the mirror, too. Cruz also got a big check from Berkshire Hathaway, corporate home of the venerated Wall Street sage Warren Buffett, who just compared the impact of default to “a nuclear bomb.” If that nuke wipes out the markets, Berkshire’s investment in Cruz will have lit the fuse.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/risky-bu...own-donations/
Business Groups See Loss of Sway Over House G.O.P.
As the government shutdown grinds toward a potential debt default, some of the country’s most influential business executives have come to a conclusion all but unthinkable a few years ago: Their voices are carrying little weight with the House majority that their millions of dollars in campaign contributions helped build and sustain.
Their frustration has grown so intense in recent days that several trade association officials warned in interviews on Wednesday that they were considering helping wage primary campaigns against Republican lawmakers who had worked to engineer the political standoff in Washington.
Such an effort would thrust Washington’s traditionally cautious and pragmatic business lobby into open warfare with the Tea Party faction, which has grown in influence since the 2010 election and won a series of skirmishes with the Republican establishment in the last two years.
“We are looking at ways to counter the rise of an ideological brand of conservatism that, for lack of a better word, is more anti-establishment than it has been in the past,” said David French, the top lobbyist at the National Retail Federation. “We have come to the conclusion that sitting on the sidelines is not good enough.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/10...om=mostemailed
HOSTAGE-TAKERS CALL COMPARISONS TO TEA PARTY “HURTFUL”
A group representing America’s hostage-takers today blasted President Obama for his repeated comparisons between them and the Tea Party Republicans, calling his remarks “degrading and hurtful.”
The complaint came from the National Alliance of Hostage-Takers and Blackmailers, a watchdog group that monitors negative images of extortionists in the media.
“As professional hostage-takers, we never take hostages unless we have a well-thought-out plan, realistic demands, and a clear exit strategy,” read the group’s official statement. “Any comparison between what we do and these inane Tea Party antics are derogatory and unacceptable.”
The statement continued, “For years, our members have been subjected to offensive Hollywood stereotypes of hostage-takers as crazed madmen, cackling evildoers, and worse. The President’s hurtful remarks only reinforce those negative images.”
Later in the day, White House press spokesman Jay Carney offered an apology to the group: “As you can imagine, in the heat of a crisis we often say things we don’t mean. The President regrets any hurt his remarks may have caused.”
Mr. Carney said that in order to avoid offending other groups in the future, the President would resist the temptation to call the Tea Party Republicans terrorists, lunatics, or babies.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...rowitz%20(180)
Obama and Dems hangin tough, punishing the Repugs
Impasse Grinding On as Negotiations Over a Fiscal Deal Break Down
as angry Republicans said that President Obama had rejected their latest offer.
Representative John Carter of Texas described Mr. Obama as “acting like a royal president.”
“He’s still ‘my way or the highway,’ ” Mr. Carter said.
House Republicans — especially the more hard-line conservatives — remain reluctant to accept any proposal that comes out of the Democratic-controlled Senate,
“The problem here is that we don’t have a functioning majority,” said Representative Devin Nunes, a California Republican.
The Republicans had proposed increasing the Treasury Department’s authority to borrow money through Nov. 22, but only if Mr. Obama agreed to more expansive talks about overhauling the budget.
(What an honest, good-faith, constructive offer!
Another Repug-fabricated crisis scheduled just in time for Thanksgiving and the Christmas shopping season!
The Repugs are totally in their own fantasy bubble, imagining that having fooled fooled their ignorant bubba base, now can fool the Dems and the rest of the country?)
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/13...?from=homepage
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