i'm sure you failed to read what the doctor who actually treated his wound... a purple heart for removal a splinter from his finger!
'Self-Inflicted Wounds'
No Dan, you're the one that fell for the hyperbole regarding his service."He's a rhinestone cowboy," said John O'Neill, a veteran who helped organize Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. "He literally is a guy who parades around and pretends to be something he's not. He was in Vietnam for four months; everyone else was there for a year. He obtained three Purple Hearts from self-inflicted wounds. And then he left."
uhh... I said nothing about his actions in combat. I said he was only in Viet Nam for 3 1/2 months, which is a fact, not some partisan tripe. Look it up. As far as his injuries, they were minor enough that most soldiers wouldn't even consider themselves wounded. My Dad had a bullet in his left hand and still has scars on his forearm from schrapnel, but he never really considered himself as "wounded" or even put himself up for medals (as John Kerry did) because he didn't think his injuries were significant. Lots of guys had worse injuries than Kerry but didn't get medals because they felt the same way. I saw an interview with one of John Kerry's commanders who said he was surprised when he saw when Kerry reported his "injury" which the commander thought was too minor to even fill out paperwork for. Other people who served with him claim that one of his injuries was self-inflicted. No one really knows but the people who were there, but obviously there's a descrepancy.
I'm not saying Kerry should be ashamed of his service or that he would have been a better man had he sustained real injuries. I'm saying that he and his zombie followers should not exaggerate and try to fabricate or exploit Kerry's war record. It makes him look like a phony and it isn't even necessary. Neither Bush nor Clinton served in Vietnam.
As far as the loud-mouth megalomaniac(s) who have been passing judgment on Kerry's war record for the past thirty years (none of this is new)...Bush was not among them. The main guy who has been going after Kerry since the end of Vietnam is a swift boat vet. He, along with many other vets have been sworn Kerry haters since Kerry made accusations against his fellow soldiers in the early 70s.
BTW- spare me the republican spin crap. I voted for Kerry (but not with your brainwashed zombie enthusiasm) and even I recognize phony, bull war stories when I hear them.
Bush41 is a bad man because everywhere he went opium and herion become lucrative markets, just like his son, but that's another story.
You do know that for a Silver Cross you have to be referred by your commanding officer, right? Also, Kerry's injuries may have been minor comparatively, but at least he put his ass on the line when his country needed him. Where was George?uhh... I said nothing about his actions in combat. I said he was only in Viet Nam for 3 1/2 months, which is a fact, not some partisan tripe. Look it up. As far as his injuries, they were minor enough that most soldiers wouldn't even consider themselves wounded. My Dad had a bullet in his left hand and still has scars on his forearm from schrapnel, but he never really considered himself as "wounded" or even put himself up for medals (as John Kerry did) because he didn't think his injuries were significant. Lots of guys had worse injuries than Kerry but didn't get medals because they felt the same way. I saw an interview with one of John Kerry's commanders who said he was surprised when he saw when Kerry reported his "injury" which the commander thought was too minor to even fill out paperwork for. Other people who served with him claim that one of his injuries was self-inflicted. No one really knows but the people who were there, but obviously there's a descrepancy.
Self-inflicted injuries, what a joke.
Bush is never among them because he has Rove's media shills to do smearing jobs for him. Just like they are attempting to do to Cindy SheehanAs far as the loud-mouth megalomaniac(s) who have been passing judgment on Kerry's war record for the past thirty years (none of this is new)...Bush was not among them. The main guy who has been going after Kerry since the end of Vietnam is a swift boat vet. He, along with many other vets have been sworn Kerry haters since Kerry made accusations against his fellow soldiers in the early 70s.
In a statement released today, Rush Limpballs is denying that he ever compared Cindy Sheehan to Bill Burkett even though Media Matters has his quote verbatim...
On the August 17 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show, nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh falsely claimed his August 15 comments about Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier who died in Iraq, were being misreported. Media Matters for America noted that on his August 15 broadcast, Limbaugh compared Sheehan to Bill Burkett, the retired Texas Air National Guard officer who provided CBS' 60 Minutes with unauthenticated do ents regarding President Bush's National Guard record, arguing that "her story is nothing more than forged do ents."
Media Matters do ented Limbaugh's statement:
LIMBAUGH: I mean, Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged do ents. There's nothing about it that's real, including the mainstream media's glomming onto it. It's not real. It's nothing more than an attempt. It's the latest effort made by the coordinated left.
But on the August 17 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show, Limbaugh falsely claimed that his comments were being misreported:
LIMBAUGH: Let me take a brief time out here to address something. I have been the recipient of a pretty decent amount of hate mail, far, far, far more hate mail than I usually get. Just this morning -- and I don't really get a whole lot of hate mail. And most of it's funny as it can be. But apparently there is something that is out there misreporting what I have said. And of course, these people are reading that rather than listening to this program and choosing to believe it.
Apparently, what's out there is that I said that Cindy Sheehan is no different than Bill Burkett, that Bill Burkett lied and Cindy Sheehan lied. They're actually out there, people saying that I am accusing Cindy Sheehan of making up the fact that she had a son and making up the fact that her son died in Iraq. And of course, I've never said this. That I, early on in this, if you wanna go back -- and we'll post the archives on my website tonight just to illustrate this. I'm the one that actually expressed a little compassion for her. And I said I don't really wanna talk too much about her, particularly because she's lost a son here. And that can never be easy. And I don't care -- there are all kinds of different people that have all kinds of different reactions to this. But losing a child is the absolute worst thing that can happen to an adult. There's nothing that rivals it, in my estimation.
So the idea that I think that she's making it all up is just another sign of the desperation of the people on the left who love to take us all out of context to try to get their side riled up. What I said was that the media looks at her the same way they look at Bill Burkett, as an opportunity. It didn't matter whether Burkett was telling the truth or not, and it doesn't matter what the specifics of Cindy Sheehan's case are. She is protesting Bush, Burkett hated Bush. That's why they're attractive to the media, and that's why the media is willing to exploit her.
Limbaugh himself featured his original statement on his website as a "Members Only" quote:
Well, Rove's media shills must have some kind of secret time-machine. Obviously, they went back 36 years and had the military doctor smear him on his report of Kerry's "combat" wound...
"What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.
I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.
The wound was covered with a bandaid.
Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat."
a further account of this incident..
[I]The following morning, John Kerry arrived at the office of Coastal Division 14 Commander Grant Hibbard to apply for a Purple Heart. Having already been informed by Schachte[Kerry's commander] that Kerry's injury was self-inflicted rather than the result of hostile fire, Commander Hibbard told him to "forget it." Hibbard recently said of Kerry's minor scratch, "I’ve seen worse injuries from a rose thorn."[/I]
But Kerry was persistent, and several months later after he was transfered to another unit, he applied yet again and finally managed to get a purple heart for his little owie.
Last edited by Jelly; 08-19-2005 at 10:34 PM.
i tell you Bush is capable of everything according to the haters of the most powerful nation on earth...
Here is a good one....
Margot Kidder, a Canadian citizen (formerly), just got her US Citizenship today after living here for 34 years! Wanna know why?
So she will not be deported when she begins protesting the war.
The greatest country in the world!
I might not agree with your opinion but I will fight for you so you can speak it!
hussker....A retired USAF Officer, 1982 - 2005
This the same Margot Kidder that was found a few years ago wandering around incoherent, amnesiatic, and in a state of dementia right? Sounds about par for the Democratic course these days...
Not as great as Hanoi Jane about to go around touring the country to protest the war and support the troops though...in her million dollar veggie mobile showing the peasantry how to be a good liberal and protect the environment, right before she takes her private gaz guzzling jet for her European vacation....tee hee.
But nothing beats a group of girls calling themselves the "Dixie" chicks becoming the champions of the left. ing classic.
as if she'd get deported for protesting. if that's the reason she gave, then she's hallucinating again. needs to get back on her meds.
I could tell you stories about Margo Kidder.
Day 13: Camp Casey
A letter from a Cindy Sheehan supporter in Crawford:
Friends,
Talk to you all soon,I had promised a few people that I would write about why I was going to Crawford before I left. I thought that I would be able to do that on the first day I got here --- I was wrong. I have been incredibly busy as the person drafted to be the Crawford Peace House volunteer coordinator that I don’t think I’ve gotten to post anything in about 3 days. I apologize for the void in communication, and I realize people are wanting to know about what’s going on!
First, Cindy and Dede’s Mom is okay, considering she had a stroke ---- it was not life threatening. Dede (Cindy’s sister) will stay with her from here on out, and Cindy should be back by tomorrow. There’s no such thing as good timing when it comes to something like that, but this weekend is particularly trying because they are trying to move the encampment at the site to the plot of land that a lone sympathetic rancher has so kindly allowed the vigil keepers to stay on. In addition, Amy Goodman just got here last night, in addition to an AirAmerica affiliate from San Diego. There are celebrities scheduled to arrive here this weekend besides Lance Armstrong; unfortunately, I am not at liberty to say who they are. Because Crawford is so small, it has been a real struggle to be able to handle the influx of people coming to the Peace House and Camp Casey from a logistical point of view, so advertising who may show up is not being pushed right now. Just handling the parking situation is an ongoing challenge because the House is actually located on the main road going in to Crawford, and they are without a parking lot. Many of the neighbors are not exactly thrilled by our presence, so coming up with space can often be a headache. Add that to food, porta potties, water, ice……. Well, you get the idea.
But that’s not why I’m writing this. Let me just tell you a quick story illustrating a part of the why.
A few days ago, one of the two mail carriers that deliver mail in town whispered to our Parking Queen, Barbara (from San Diego), that any mail that only had “Crawford Peace House” without the actual numbered address, was being ‘returned to sender.’ Apparently, the Crawford Post Office was in the habit of holding on to the mail and then every now and then, sending them back to the people who had written either Cindy or CPH. Barbara, a retired postal worker, informed me that while that was technically possible, to do so was a real indication of their at ude towards what was happening here. After a few well placed phone calls to various Congressional reps, Postal Inspectors from Dallas and regional offices paid a visit to the post office here in town. It’s true many pieces of mail were returned to people, but we found out that a large amount had also just gone back to the main Dallas-Ft Worth Post Office. It was just sitting there.
Johnny Wolfe, one of the co-founders of the Peace House went to the DFW office to pick the lot that had been sent back. When he walked into the place, he noticed that AirAmerica was cranked up in the front receiving area of the office. After he introduced himself at the counter and informed them that he was there to pick up the mail, the entire facility, including the processing center in the back, stopped and came to the front. They cheered and roared their approval in the loudest Texas fashion for everyone in Crawford who was there to take it to Bush. News of this brought tears to a few of us back at the House. I can’t begin to adequately describe what it’s meant to get that kind of support. When I think of how difficult it’s been, I just think of those moments that I couldn’t even begin to imagine reading in a story.
Experiences like that have shown me that people everywhere, not just those that have gone out of their way to come here, are with us (and by that I mean all of you reading this, as well). Most of America truly understands that there is no light at the end of this dark, foul tunnel --- they want it to stop ----- and stop before it goes elsewhere…..
I am asking everyone who is reading this to please, please --- bring this subject up now and at the conferences. Talk about this! I know we have the special election to deal with (I’ve already walked precincts), and the issue of electoral integrity is major, but we can’t let the issue of the war and occupation get away from us. It is bankrupting us in blood and treasure. As DFAers, we have an obligation to continue to raise difficult questions ---- and demand they be answered for the sake of making us and the Party better than it is now. To continue this silence for strategy’s sake is morally impoverished as a part of a vision for ‘taking our country back’. Choosing to not decide IS a choice.
Get this rolling! TALK! I’m going to really try to steal some moments where I can type today, but I’m already off to the first event of the day: the National Council of Churches will have an Interfaith Service at noon. 300 clergy bused in from everywhere will be at the site to lend solidarity to the efforts of the brave souls who have stuck in out in the unbearable heat.
karen
You can e-mail Karen in Crawford at: <[email protected] >
MIA
Where's Bush?
President has not been seen publicly since August 13th Waco Little League softball game.
Great Dan, you've uncovered the fact that the US postal service is innefficient! Next, you'll be telling us that the city council takes bribes.
unfortunetly she's become the tool for some ultra left wingers, believe me you parade out the anti war demonstraters and sane rational people tend to give up, it would be like the right alway parading out jerry falwell and pat robertson... extremism doesn't work no matter what side of the aisle it's from.
Cindy Sheehan: 35% Favorable 38% Unfavorable
Survey of 1,000 Adults
August 17-18, 2005
Cindy Sheehan
Favorable 35%
Unfavorable 38%
RasmussenReports.com
Following Sheehan Story
Very Closely 25%
Somewhat Closely 30%
Not Very Closely 27%
Not At All 15%
RasmussenReports.com
August 19, 2005--Cindy Sheehan, the grieving mother who maintained an anti-War protest outside of President Bush's ranch, is viewed favorably by 35% of Americans and unfavorably by 38%.
Sheehan is viewed favorably by 34% of men and 35% of women. Forty-two percent (42%) of men and 34% of women have an unfavorable view.
In general, people see in Sheehan what they want to see. Opinion about her is largely based upon views of the War, rather than views about the woman herself. Democrats, by a 56% to 18% margin, have a favorable opinion. Republicans, by a 64% to 16% margin, have an unfavorable view. Those not affiliated with either major party are evenly divided.
People who think we should withdraw troops from Iraq now have a positive opinion of Sheehan (59% favorable, 12% unfavorable). Those who do not think we should withdraw troops at this time have a negative view (15% favorable , 64% unfavorable).
Among those with family members who have served in the military, Sheehan is viewed favorably by 31% and unfavorably by 48%.
Forty-two percent (42%) of Married Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Sheehan while 33% have a favorable opinion. Among those who are not married, Sheehan's numbers are 38% favorable and 30% favorable.
Fifty-five percent (55%) of Americans say they are following the Sheehan story somewhat or very closely. That is a lower level of interest than Americans have in stories about Iran's nuclear capabilities. It is roughly comparable to the interest in stories about Supreme Court nominee John Roberts.
News reports said that Sheehan left Texas yesterday (Thursday) to be with her mother who had suffered a stroke. Sheehan vowed to return as soon as possible.
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Bush says the war is "worth the sacrifice". For whom? I would like to see if he would send his daughters over to Iraq amidst the fighting...then let us see if he thinks this quagmire is worth the sacrifice. no, he would not let his daughters die for oil or because he wants to spread freedom.
Bush is nothing but a lying, special interest grabbing flag waving con man.
If not for oil interests, we would not be there. Whottt, you know that and yet, you hide behind your "patriotism" and just act like this is all just, and that is wrong.
We are wanting to "spread freedom" all around the world.....that is BULL . There are hundreds of countries that are under the same type of tyrrany as Iraq is, but they have nothing of interest to us, we have nothing to gain either monetarily or politically by freeing these people, so we just shake our heads and say, "how tragic", yet we do nothing for them militarily.
We have allienated over 90% of our allies, bcause they know the real reason why we are over there....am I am sick of it.
Greed, plain and simple.
Bush and his adminstration.
Yeah Jim and those countries not sitting on billlions of dollars in Oil don't have billions of dollars to develop nukes with...
On top of that none of them had invaded another country and signed a UN cease fire agreement that they had violated.
Where are the WOMD????
Why are we still there?????
Would Bush let his daughters die for this cause???
Answer those questions?
why do people persist with such idiotic, melodramatic schmaltz like "would so-and-so send their sons to die"? As if we live in some bizaare, mythical world where parents actually send their adult offspring to wars. No, Bush nor anyone else can send their children to war. Those "children" in question are grown-ups and they are allowed to *gasp* make their own decisions. I find this paternalistic at ude toward full grown men and women really nauseating (and kind of weird). And I'm really glad we live in a world where my parents are not allowed to send me places.
Careful Jelly...Jim will threaten to beat your ass if you press the issue.
you mean he would hit a girl...that's sad
Being a girl may cause a different reaction from him.
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