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No one suggested the EO banned all Muslims. The EO specifically targets 7 countries but makes exceptions for "religious minorities" (ie non-Muslims) from those countries.
How is it a Muslim ban... The countries with the largest Muslims populations are Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Nigeria. No bans there.
No one suggested the EO banned all Muslims. The EO specifically targets 7 countries but makes exceptions for "religious minorities" (ie non-Muslims) from those countries.
Easier to remember. Also, fits nicely on t-shirts, protest signs, and pussy hats.
The expression "Muslim ban" implies that Muslims aren't allowed. A restaurant that bans black people but still allows black people isn't really banning black people.
A supposed exception carved out for religious minorities isn't surprising, either. If the grounds for the policy is the "threat of radical islam" (and it's irrelevant if you think this is valid or not), then a christian or jew wouldn't be included as part of the threat. For the record, I'm completely against the policy on multiple grounds... but the rationale (religious minorities) makes sense in relation to the goal of the policy (which I think will fail anyway, personally).
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"the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest — including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution"
This your first political catchphrase? Of course it's not perfectly nuanced. But it's not incorrect either. We're banning Muslims from certain countries.
it's entirely inflammatory
Justifiably so.
There's nothing wrong in principal with this temporary ban, but it wasn't well thought out. I think it was just to check off a box on his campaign promise list. By the way, making EVERYONE'S life miserable at the airport won't win over hearts and minds.
i think there's a lot wrong in principal with the temporary ban. you can't just make that statement of fact
First off, we both ed up the use of "principle".
i just got lazy and copied yours tbh. ur faultFirst off, we both ed up the use of "principle".
If you're banning all immigration from a subset of Muslim countries but allowing exceptions for non-Muslims, it is a "Muslim ban".
It is not, as Trump originally proposed, "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States".
But it is a "Muslim ban", whether it was from 1, 7 or all Muslim countries.
Rudy 9u1ian1 admitted it.
"the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest — including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution"
What are you interpreting this passage to mean?
People like Yazidis.
Let's hope, but no evidence of that so far.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15E1E9
More than one hundred Yazidis are waiting for their IOM asylum applications to be processed, Saib Khidr, a prominent Yazidi lawyer and human rights activist close to the Baba Sheikh, the top religious leader of the community.
A Yazidi woman was denied boarding a flight to the United States on Sunday, he said.
Khidr said he had hoped Yazidis would be among those given priority but was concerned that Trump only mentioned the persecution of Syrian Christians when asked about the issue in an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network.
"We're disappointed," he told Reuters in Baghdad. "We're waiting for the American side to clarify its position."
Not that Trump even knows what Yazidi is.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.a06086335eebTrump’s refugee ban is a matter of life and death for some, including a 1-year-old with cancer
By Kevin Sieff January 30 at 9:24 PM
DADAAB REFUGEE CAMP, Kenya — They were deemed the most vulnerable cases: refugees suffering from medical conditions so *severe that normally their journeys to the United States would be expedited.
One is a 9-year-old Somali child in Ethiopia with a congenital heart disease that cannot be treated in a refugee camp. Another is a 1-year-old Sudanese boy with cancer. A third is a Somali boy with a severe intestinal disorder living in a camp that doesn’t even have the colostomy bags he needs.
After President Trump’s executive order last week, their resettlement in America was put on hold. Now, the organization responsible for processing refugees in sub-Saharan Africa, Church World Service, says that order could be their death sentence.
The organization compiled an internal list of some of its most desperate cases, and it is urging the U.S. government to lift the suspension. “When you’re talking about a 9-year-old with congenital heart problems, a [delay of a] day is too long,” said Sarah Krause, the senior director of Church World Service’s immigration and refugee program. “It is unnecessary for these individuals to die while waiting for resettlement.”
The Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees said Monday that 20,000 people in precarious conditions would be banned from traveling to the United States under the 120-day suspension on refu*gee admissions that was announced Friday.
The Trump administration said it stopped accepting refugees temporarily to study ways to ensure that the new arrivals don’t pose a threat to the United States.
But the U.N. agency noted that the refugees it referred to the U.S. government for resettlement are highly vulnerable — including people in need of urgent medical assistance or survivors of torture.
About 80,000 people in sub-Saharan Africa are at some stage of the U.S. refu*gee process, which can take years to complete. Of those, about 2,000 are deemed “most vulnerable,” because of urgent medical problems or “extreme protection concerns” such as worries about their safety or well-being, according to Church World Service, which represents dozens of Protestant, Anglican and Orthodox religious communities and also works with refu*gee resettlement offices across the United States.
Its list offers a glimpse into the human lives affected by the executive order.
In addition to people with medical conditions, the list includes refugees who have endured horrifying cases of physical and psychological trauma. One is a young Somali woman who was raped multiple times by assailants. She is now living in a safe house in a neighboring country with a child who was conceived in one of those assaults, Krause said.
Many of the people on the list were days or weeks away from traveling to the United States. Some had already been through a cultural orientation program, which teaches refugees what to expect in America — like how to use public transportation and how to apply for a job. They had passed numerous interviews and security screenings.
“These are already the most thoroughly vetted of any individuals entering the United States,” Krause said.
One 38-year-old Somali woman that Church World Service added to its list is waiting at a small refu*gee transit center in Nairobi. Her name is Momina Hassan Aden. She had recently had a blood transfusion and was raising seven children alone, after her husband died last year.
She remained fragile, said other refugees, who did not know the details of her medical condition. She had spent the last four years at the Kakuma Refugee Camp, a sprawling facility in northwestern Kenya that is home to more than 150,000 people.
“There’s not enough health care for me there,” Aden said in a brief interview at the Nairobi transit center. She sat on the ground, surrounded by her children, who range in age from 1 to 12.
“We’re so worried about her,” said Mohammed Abdi, another refugee at the center.
Refugees like Aden are in a new kind of purgatory. They have already given up their tents and humanitarian supplies, because they assumed they would be traveling to the United States. Now, the same buses that brought them from their refugee camps might end up taking them back.
They would be treated as new arrivals — often sent to crammed communal tents, waiting all over again to receive a card that en les them to food rations. In Kakuma, those rations were halved in December, as humanitarian organizations ran low on money as they struggled to respond to the global refugee crisis.
Because many of the refugees’ U.S. clearances will expire during the 120-day suspension, it could take them “months or even years to get to complete the process again,” Krause said.
Refugee organizations are frantically trying to find ways to save the lives of those who could suffer serious health problems or even die while waiting for the suspension to end. One possibility discussed was redirecting urgent cases from the United States to other countries.
The U.S. executive order allows the secretaries of state and homeland security to admit individuals as refugees on a case-by-case basis “in the national interest,” but it is not yet clear whether that would help the individuals on the Church World Service list. A call to the State Department for comment was not immediately returned on Monday.
Krause was distraught as she described her worries about the refugees.
“I don’t how else to take this but as a personal failure,” she said, choking up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah.
For the WH crew, the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim
Nobody mentioned that most muslims banned are from highly Shia muslim populations. Not Sunnis. Sunnis are the sect that has the advanced terrorist networks: al qaeda, ISIS.
This ban is probably preparation for war vs the Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemeni alliance vs US and Saudi sponsored terrorist groups.
This has nothing to do with preventing terrorist attacks
We going to war. Even Iran instantly testing their ballistic missiles is a huge sign
is gone get real for real
You're a stain on humanity
I thought we avoided WW3 on 9 Nov?Nobody mentioned that most muslims banned are from highly Shia muslim populations. Not Sunnis. Sunnis are the sect that has the advanced terrorist networks: al qaeda, ISIS.
This ban is probably preparation for war vs the Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemeni alliance vs US and Saudi sponsored terrorist groups.
This has nothing to do with preventing terrorist attacks
We going to war. Even Iran instantly testing their ballistic missiles is a huge sign
is gone get real for real
My fatigues are covered in mothballs and will need letting out, but, I'll take my place on the line just like I did in the Delta.Nobody mentioned that most muslims banned are from highly Shia muslim populations. Not Sunnis. Sunnis are the sect that has the advanced terrorist networks: al qaeda, ISIS.
This ban is probably preparation for war vs the Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemeni alliance vs US and Saudi sponsored terrorist groups.
This has nothing to do with preventing terrorist attacks
We going to war. Even Iran instantly testing their ballistic missiles is a huge sign
is gone get real for real
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