Hey kids, let me show you proof that God's real

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Agreed, but your ALWAYS going to run into the "but where did that come from? Issue. It's an issue that the more the thinks about it the more your head hurts. Matter cannot be created not destroyed so where did it come from? And religion can't answer that either. If God created everything/anything, where did he come from? Neither will ever fully answer those questions.

Only from creationist re s intent on the first cause proof of God.

The reality is our need to temporally order everything is not necessarily the truth.

[mingus]

It's like little kids believing in Santa. They're adorable too.

Oh okay.

[Blake]

[sickdsm]

You're conflating "how" and "why".

And i'm not sure you know what a fairy tale is.

So your saying science is content knowing the how of twins being born but could care less about the why?

[sickdsm]

But she can't say, because God said so. If the intent of the rat comes down to a supernatural set of explanations, it's no use in a science setting because it can't be tested/observed. The why will involve some established neurological reaction model to a set of cir stances, chemical, environmental, both...

I thoroughly believe there there is a place for religion and philosophy in the lives of humans. The problem, in my opinion,is that religious types set down a set of inflexible rules that sometimes conflict with rational observations and models ...ex. the Earth is the center of the universe. "I don't know" is fair and perfectly reasonable response. Religion and philosophy often discuss the nature of fairness, right and wrong, etc... Unless you are dealing directly with brains and explaining this through some sort of advantage in a social hierarchy, you get nowhere in science.

Sorry to interject. This was for another poster. But I like these types of discussions.

I see the aloof nature that science can appear to bestow upon a human brain trying to reason through something the brain might never have been set up to do. We will never answer everything we want to know through science IMO. It's a restricted use endeavor. We also must realize the possible answers given by religion and philosophy will sometimes not satisfy our reason oriented brains. I also challenge my own word, reason, in the aforementioned. "We" really believe we have no flaws in logic and reasoning... that's strange to me. We believe our ability to sense and describe the world about us is immune to deep fundamental flaws... That's strange.

Not sure if that half of the post was intended for me or not.


For the record I'm on the side of science. People seem quick to assume, some are always looking for a conflict. I always point to science, the flip side is idiots like Bouton's. Anti GMO type are the liberal equivalent of believing a big ark carried two of every kind of animal through a flood.

[Blake]

So your saying science is content knowing the how of twins being born but could care less about the why?

Why would science care why the mom decided/didn't decide to get pregnant?

How did the Solar System come into existence? Explainable

Why did the Solar System come into existence? Philosophy

[pgardn]

Not sure if that half of the post was intended for me or not.


For the record I'm on the side of science. People seem quick to assume, some are always looking for a conflict. I always point to science, the flip side is idiots like Bouton's. Anti GMO type are the liberal equivalent of believing a big ark carried two of every kind of animal through a flood.

It's to the general audience. And a response to your post.

Underlined.... Absolutely.

Science, philosophy, and religion are very different type of efforts to answer different questions due to very different human needs. We crave explanations. The power of science lies in its predictive power, for the most part. But there are other questions we have that don't lend themselves to science.

So I tend to see the differences between these very human endeavors instead of overlapping them. It just makes more sense to me. And I see humans as limited in what we can know. Science just happens to be endlessly fascinating to me.

[pgardn]

Good and bad people.

Discuss.

Where are our philosophy types and our theologians...

[sickdsm]

Why would science care why the mom decided/didn't decide to get pregnant?

How did the Solar System come into existence? Explainable

Why did the Solar System come into existence? Philosophy

The why being we know how identical twins are formed but not why.

[Blake]

The why being we know how identical twins are formed but not why.

Uh. Feel free to explain why they are formed then.

[sickdsm]

Uh. Feel free to explain why they are formed then.

Can't quite figure out if you think you need to get the last word, your just an idiot, or your just bitter.


The science community is working very hard on the why issues. When did i ever infer that i was smarter or knew more that the scientists that work in that field? If I knew the answer i'd contact someone that could verify it........

[Blake]

Can't quite figure out if you think you need to get the last word, your just an idiot, or your just bitter.


The science community is working very hard on the why issues. When did i ever infer that i was smarter or knew more that the scientists that work in that field? If I knew the answer i'd contact someone that could verify it........

Yeah, you're still conflating "how" and "why"

[boutons_deux]

scientists work with the rational, any why, if there is one, will not be in the rational domain.

[Blake]

Can't quite figure out if you think you need to get the last word, your just an idiot.......

The science community is working very hard on the why issues.

K, I'm gonna throw you a bone.

https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/20...xplain-purpose

After this, you're on your own.

[RandomGuy]

The fact that you think there are odds to begin with is wherein you go wrong. The conditions for human life independent of a deity are non-existent.

How do you know that?

[RandomGuy]

Whoa settle down. Great things can be made from nothing and it needs nothing to start the process. That's what your saying? Then there still would be the why.

Sorry, re-read my post, and it's overall tone wasn't quite what I was shooting for, which is more laid back.

I do not claim "everything came from nothing", no.

I merely say "I don't know". I just don't fill in the blank with my favorite explanation.

I don't know "why" either.

We don't know enough about the universe, and may never know, that such a thing REQUIRES some vague, ill-defined being to happen. Things happen. Things don't happen.

I just don't see any good reason to think that any of it was intentional.

[RandomGuy]

scientists work with the rational, any why, if there is one, will not be in the rational domain.

To some extent.

Why do the tides come in? The moon orbits the planet, and gravity causes changes in sea level.

Ultimate purpose... that is up to us, IMO. I don't think there is. We are ultimately a happenstance of the way the universe is put together.

I liken it to the puddle analogy.

Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, “This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!” This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it’s still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything’s going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.