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With Scoot and Black pretty much out of range, at this point I’m more intrigued by some shooters in the middle of the round (Hawkins and ) than PGs.
The thing I’ve always liked about drafting Black is that it instantaneously makes Tre the perfect change of pace backup. Between those two you can do a lot to dictate the flow of the game and both could play together if needed.
With Scoot and Black pretty much out of range, at this point I’m more intrigued by some shooters in the middle of the round (Hawkins and ) than PGs.
If Hawkins gets picked by the Spurs, then there’s your second star next to Wemby tbh
There is something there with Hawkins. Like Mathurin vibes.
Spurs should target him at 16 with that Utah pick.
There's plenty of very good shooters in this draft class: Jordan Hawkins, Gradey , Dariq Whitehead, Jett Howard, Brice Sensabaugh, Julian Strawther, Marcus Sasser and a couple others. The best shooter of the bunch I think is Hawkins, his ability to move without the ball, shoot on the move, his quick release and efficiency on high volume puts him at the top.
There are so many teams needing shooters from 11 onwards that I think a lot of them will go very high:
11) Orlando
12) OKC
13) Toronto (mediocre as it is and might lose both Van Vleet and Gary Trent Jr)
14) NOLA
15) Atlanta
16) Utah
17) Lakers
18) Miami
20) Houston
I'd say chances are high Orlando and OKC take both Hawkins and at 11 and 12, and I have a feeling Jett Howard will go 20 at worst. Whitehead should go there as well, but the injuries might cause him to slip a bit, and this is a guy I'd really like to pick up if he lips. Sensabaugh I'm not in love with, seems like an overweight chucker, but Strawther and Sasser might fall to #33 and they're two of my targets there along with Jaquez.
Last edited by Ariel; 05-28-2023 at 10:14 PM.
You mean it in a good way? as a shooter, they're not really comparable. Hawkins is leaps and bounds above Mathurin, and is a better defender. Mathurin is a bit of a chucker, actually. Very confident, not so efficient.
Hawkins will likely be gone way before that, lots of teams need shooting in the bottom half of the lottery, starting with Orlando and OKC. I wouldn't be shocked in fact if Orlando took BOTH (at 6) and Hawkins (at 11).
It seems like Gradey and Derek Lively are on the rise, at least judging by team message boards and general mocks. It's not unbelievable they both could wind up top 10, making things interesting.
Take Dean on Draft with a grain of salt. He does highly analytic comparisons, but they are a good tactic. He cautions against over-enthusiasm for Hawkins. His major points being, 1) Hawkins does nothing other than shoot, which is different than other top shooters we've seen come out (Ray Allen, Klay Thompson), and 2) shooting is highly variable. Shooting goes up and down every year. He mentions players like Duncan Robinson and Strus. If that player does nothing else, then overpaying for shooting can be problematic. https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/i...the-next-elite
everybody can throw lobs to a 7'5'' guy. What you want is somebody who can drive past defenders and get to the rim to get Wembanyama and the shooters open and develop an elite pick & roll and pick & pop combination between the 2. And you definitely want that person to be an elite 3-point shooter. who can move off the ball when Sochan has it. Hawkins would be great on this team, but he's more of a 2 guard than a PG. Cason Wallace might fit since he's being compared to Jrue Holiday, but there are also some question marks with him
he looks good. Has some things to work on, but I think coaching and better team mates would help him improve in those areas
I don't know what you missed from what I said, but Black can drive past defenders. And, no, not everyone throws good lobs. Not everyone at nineteen runs a PnR with expertise.
Regardless, shooting is fine. Going too high to get a guy who can only shoot isn't a good idea. And Cason Wallace is also being compared to Tre Jones.
If the Spurs are going for shooting, it would probably be Gradey rather than Hawkins.
Yeah. As much as malleable combo guards with size like Wallace are a valuable archetype, he wouldn't solve the lack of a dynamic advantage creator issue.
I've had Gradey in my top 10 for a couple months now because he offers more potential than just shooting and I've had Hawkins lower because I don't see much more there than just shooting.
Agree completely. Also, Hawkins is wonderful because of all these runarounds he does, like Curry, but I don't think he'll get these actions devoted to him in the NBA. He'll be more of a spot up shooter (maybe a very good one).
IMO, if the Spurs try to go into the deep top first round, like 5-10, they are after Black or .
is a potential flamethrower who slots in more comfortably at a SF position of need and contributes elsewhere more.
IMO, if the Spurs are trying to get into the mid to later first round, they are after guys like Bufkin or Hawkins.
I think the team would love to have Hawkins, but I don't think they would spend too much to get there.
Added: If they are going for the late first, round, they're looking for someone like Podziemski.
So just curious what would it take to get Black - Keldon Johnson, and our next years first, and Charlottes pick?
Wemby is different than Jokic, he's not gonna be a PG in Center body like Jokic
A protected top 5 pick next year should be enough...
KJ and TOR 2024 could get you 5 this was proposed by their athletic writer and got split reviews so the offer seems to be solid. I think they only do that for Amen, not Black.
A Harden (minus the chokig) to Wemby's Embiid then. The point is, we need an explosive point of attack PG that can put points on the board and isn't jumpshooting challenged.
It might require trading Keldon, which I don't think the team wants to do. Also definitely don't see them sending Johnson to a bad team like Detroit.
There is thought that they can entice with the right kinds of draft assets and maybe use cap room to take bad salaries. Ultimately it depends on what the other team needs. It's probably impossible to keep him away from the Washington or Utah picks at 8 and 9. Dallas's pick seems to be on the market, but they want help now rather than later, etc...
Hawkins is better defensively than .
No he's not...
They're both not totally terrible at defense, but also not great. It's just that Gradey is a tall white guy, so it automatically goes into his description.
Yeah he is.
Plenty of film of guys blowing right by . He's too slow to keep up with quicker players.
He's so bad teams game planned to attack him on 1 on 1 isolation.
Also struggles in self creation on offense struggles to gain separation off the dribble. Hawkins is better shooting off the dribble and quicker to get himself open with movement.
is the best catch and shoot shooter in this draft.
Last edited by rascal; 05-29-2023 at 12:50 PM.
White boy from Kanas is over rated
Easy to guard and can’t guard
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