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Would you rather have Herro or Devin at 4/120?
In a vaccuum, I'd take Herro at $30mil/year over Austin Reaves at $25mil/year and there's no particular question about it. Herro is younger and much better for longer.
Would you rather have Herro or Devin at 4/120?
herro is the better player who has actually played well enough to justify a 30mil salary
but we all think devin has the higher ceiling because there is way more untapped potential given his physical tools
on a team like the spurs, i'd shoot for the ceiling. if i was a better team looking to compete, id take the sure thing in herro. with that said, 4/120 would be an overpay for devin at this point
Maybe I'm down too down on Devin. I think Herro is a better player and has a higher ceiling - but I don't proclaim to be a basketball expert.
I agree 4/120 would be an overpay for Devin... but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what his next deal was. Salaries are going up in this (NBA) economy.
Miami’s going to end up getting cucked in this deal tbh.
I don't see that as the question at hand.
Vassell at 4/$120M would be an overpay. I love his potential, but that’s a lot of bank for potential.
That's reasonable. I'm still ambivalent on Herro. You make the trade if you think he's your long-term starter at PG and move Tre to his natural place off the bench.
Does that mean you can't answer it? Herro at $30MM vs Reaves at $25MM isn't also a question at hand either, but you had no problems opining on it.
If Vassell averages around 19 a game with about average defense and plays 65 games this year, what are y’all paying him? I’d say between 20-25 a year would be the max I’m comfortable with. My main concern right now is can he stay relatively healthy for a long stretch of the season.
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.
i agree herro is the better player (right now). the reason devin has the higher ceiling is that physically he seems to have the tools to become a strong iso scorer, which is very useful in late game situations. he also has high defensive upside (even though he was bad defensively last year), given his length and 6'10 wingspan. herro is 6'5 with only a 6'3 wingspan.
the defense isnt merely a projection. he was a good defender in college and was even pretty decent early in his career. think he took a step back last year with the increase offensive load. hope he's worked up the stamina to be a better two-way player.
think wemby will start making a lot of guys look like better defenders, too
He's just on the fringe of super intriguing. If his contract wasn't another four years. If his defense was better. If he could be counted on to be a better facilitator. If his cultural fit wasn't a question.
I suppose Keldon can be asked about his character/culture fit, assuming he knows about him through UKentucky associations. I don't see a ton of overlap between him and Vassell -- one is more on-ball, the other is off-ball. My question is whether Herro is gonna, well, Herro-ball things.
I think Herro has been better, in a much better environment than Vassell has been in. I'm also higher on Reaves than Herro, as he is so much more efficient in his role .
Current Value, I'd say Reaves > Herro > Vassell,
Long term, I'm personally much higher on Vassell than Herro - I don't think Herro gets to be a true good #1 option, and guys who are below that level, though in that role have (I think, opinion) more limited value to a le contender than other role players, particularly if you think they're below average defensively. I'd bet on the upside and growth of Vassell and potential to be a contributor as a tertiary ball handler / off ball shooter AND Roaming defensive stud who offers help off ball.
Long term Vassell > Reaves >/~ Herro (age in Herro's favour).
Room for debate though.
IDK, 20-25 seems about the going rate, if not a little bit of a bargain, for the player you describe.
Bruce Brown just got $21MM/year coming off an 11/4/3 season.
Deandre Hunter will make $22.5/yr over the next 4 and is coming off a 15/4/1 season.
I don't think folks fully grasp how much NBA players make these days.
Saying Reaves is better is just straight up nuts. So far he's a flash in the pan. Herro has been good for over three years now. It's just recency bias speaking.
the thing is, if wemby is who we think he is, we dont need a "true good #1 option" alongside him. he is it. and you could argue if a player like herro is a better offensive fit than a player like vassell
So you're either an obtuse moron who can't read through some typos; or you're someone who is too chicken to answer basic questions.
Noted.
bruce brown also got a 2 year deal. nobody was going to give bruce brown 5/100
pacers basically did with Bruce Brown what some people here wanted to do with a guy like Lopez. a short term overpay because there is cap space to burn.
I didn't consider the Keldon connection...thats a good point... As for fit, I think he's fine. I think he's a PG, and his shooting is needed. I see no overlap with Devin at all and think they'd actually complement each other fairly well. It's the cultural fit that concerns me the most. I'd take him in a heartbeat if i wasn't concerned about that, but your point about Keldon does give the FO some extra insight there.
Great points, it’s hard to get out of the mindset that the valued role players are making what star players used to make. If Vassell can be consistent this year both in his game and health I’m not too concerned. If he doesn’t make a jump then I lean towards packaging him with picks to make a splash.
What are the best advanced stats to look at for defense? Herro's DWS has been higher than Devin's every season, but that could be just a matter of the team they are on. I hear a lot of Devin's defense, but it hasn't really materialized so I'm second guessing that aspect of his game. I do remember Devin getting bullied in clutch time by some OKC rookie last year, I think maybe even giving up the game winning bucket IIRC, and that turned me off on Devin's D. Granted it was just one game and Devin may not have been 100%
I pretty much agree with that. I don't think it matters who's better between Herro and Devin though. There games don't overlap.
It only matters in the context of if you had to choose one. Say Devin's extension needed to be 4/120 (either by virtue of what his team is asking for now, or you think that's what he'll project to next summer if he hits RFA, which I don't think is too out of question if you look at what other deals were signed this offseason). You have an offer on the table to bring in Herro, but the cost is Devin. Do you do it?
No. I assume you mean moving Devin in the trade? I wouldn't do that at all. Now if you just mean because of overall team salary there's no reason the choice is one or the other.
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