Yeah, you're just another one of those users in here who have nothing to do with their life and just tries to stir and trigger people.
If I’m SAC I would much rather deal with Houston than San Antonio.
At present, their young guys (Sengun, Thompson, Eason, Smith, Jimmer) seem to be trending in a good direction, while the star of our young guys has dimmed this season (Dev, keldon). Also, Houston has as many exciting picks as we do.
Reed, Amen, Smith and picks would be a great way to start the reboot
KJ + Zollins is fair value for the next albatross contract.
Yeah,that’s not great,but I guess the hope would be that sliding into the #2 spot and playing off Wemby’s gravity would improve the efficiency. I think his 7 years have proved that he’s not a #1 on a contender.
It’s legit to be concerned about those numbers. Inefficiencies are magnified by volume. He might gain some efficiency playing off Wemby’s gravity.
It's absolutely not legit to write that Fox had one good season in his career.
I can't take him seriously after that obvious trigger bait.
The only part you quoted was about the shooting splits of 34/75. That’s was I was posting about, and it’s a legit concern.
Check his previous posts, it's just blatant baiting.
Fox would be an upgrade question be the price.
i kinda agree with Bruno that it feels more like Fox vs Castle rather than Fox vs Vassell
it would feel rough to part with Castle but Fox is on a different level. he's a borderline #1 on offense and certainly would be a high end #2. then you keep vassell as the aspiring #3
a Fox/Castle backcourt seems pretty janky on paper given their respective styles of play. fox isnt a bad defender, but he's never going to have the same defensive upside as Castle, but for that level of offense its a trade-off you'd take.
assuming a summer trade, and given that Sacto has some flexibility due to some small trade exceptions, castle + one of collins/keldon + one of branham/wesley would get it done. you'd assume they'd prefer collins who would at least be an expiring deal at the time.
then its just a matter of how many picks it takes to make it right. obviously we could unwind 20131 swap, and we have a ton of excess capital to work with
Fox doesn't work with another lead ballhandler that is the reason they shipped Hali out. It has to be Castle for Fox for it to work.
That's what people said about Mitc and Garland last season. Myself included.
Kings and Pacers made that trade because it made too much sense. It was actually the Pacers who had more issues with Turner-Sabonis combo and had no perimeter creation.
Unlike Haliburton, Castle doesn't look like a heliocentric playmaker.
works because they can both shoot well
Allen has no jumpshot and Mobley just started taking 3s on relevant volume.
It's not between Castle and Devin, but between Castle and Jeremy because both can't start until at least one has a reliable shot.
Forget about Fox.
Spurs won't part with their treasured draft picks.
probably for the best...Cause these other young dudes coming up with wemby aint it.
Fox's lackadaisical defense leads to one of the dumbest fouls of the season. Lost them the game after they blew a 26-point lead in the 4th, handing the Kings their 5th straight loss. They fall to 13-18 on the season.
Fit right in with us tbh
Yikes that's bad.
Some additional food for thought on Fox after listening to Vecenie last podcast where he spoke at length on Fox:
1. If the Kings are far out of the play-in picture come the end of January, then you might see Fox moved at the deadline
2. If Fox somehow makes all NBA (which probably requires #1 not coming true), then he'll definitely sign that SuperMax with SAC
3. SAC is a pretty sad franchise with a loyal, basketball loving fan base. That franchise doesn't need to win les to necessarily be successful, they just have to put a decent product on the floor. The Fox-led Kings have been the best they've had in a long time, so it will be tough for the ownership to want to move away from that, even if they should
4. SA and HOU are the destinations that make the most sense
5. Sam has "heard" (which I believe is 100% true and he's not giving more detail because he doesn't want to out his sources) that Klutch wants to pair one of their guard clients with Wemby. Me reading between the lines: This of course doesn't necessarily mean it will happen... but it might work in SA's favor if a Klutch guard client wants to move. SA may get a discount on the trade acquisition cost (though Klutch is going to certainly not going to give a discount on the salary)
Any ideas who the other guards Klutch might steer here could be?
EDIT: Ugh looked at Rich Paul's client list and not too impressive at guard positions outside of Fox and guys who probably aren't likely to move (Maxey and Garland). Otherwise it's mid guys like Dejounte, Lavine, VanVleet, Sexton, and then scrubby Scoot. Maybe Rich Paul means Bronny.
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Fox looks checked out to me. I think he’s done with Sacramento tbh.
I've waited a while to weigh in on this because my initial reaction was no. I've never seen Fox as someone who impacts winning enough for the salary he'll get.
That said, who does who's also available? Markkanen? Love him and think he's a uniquely great fit around Wemby but does he impact winning? Butler at 36? You can't wait forever for the perfect player to become available, because those types rarely do and when they do they don't fall over each other to go to SA.
Fox is a pretty good fit actually, especially if his 3 point shot is for real. Sure, his defense isn't great but most PGs nowadays struggle defending and he's at least long and strong enough to not be consistently attacked in the playoffs, like Haliburton or Brunson types are. I can live with his brain farts, as long as he gets in the paint at will, finishes well and shoots from 3. His age is also perfect. Wemby will have multiple windows, you can't expect him to have a 10 year championship window with two other young guys, this won't work anymore with the new CBA. Point is, he's good enough and young enough to at least expect him to be movable if it doesn't work if he's on a 30% max contract.
Now, obviously as mentioned many times, Houston is the better fit and they have better resources to offer Sacramento but they seem focused on their weirdly constructed roster and the Phoenix picks. Perhaps they're waiting on Booker or even Durant and if they hesitate it'd be the opportunity for the Spurs to act first. I expect the price to be significant if the trade happens at the deadline. Like, no chance would they move him unless they're getting Castle back. They don't need Vassell on a long term contract when they're rebuilding. I'd offer Sochan + picks + contracts over Castle (and go after Naz Reid in the summer), but they probably can get much better than that. In fact, they'll likely get a better offer than Castle + picks but anyway.
So, yeah. Wemby is ready, they may as well try to be aggressive and Fox is far from the worst player to throw assets at. I'd go for it unless the price is too high, say bidding against a Houston package.
Just wait, trade demand from Fox will come soon.
I don't think Houston is that great a fit. There is no way in they're moving Amen Thompson for Fox so with Amen eventually starting they absolutely need high end shooting from the position. I would figure their offer would be Sheppard + Whitmore + and maybe a non Phoenix first, but I wouldn't be surprised if they decided they're better off holding onto Sheppard and seeing what he looks like in year two while also keeping the door open to try to steal Booker away when the Suns have another disappointing season. So I don't think the Spurs have to offer Castle to get Fox.
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