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    The thing about nearly eliminating ball picks is that you eliminate the ne seriously weak area of Wemby’s game: setting ing picks.

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    The thing about nearly eliminating ball picks is that you eliminate the ne seriously weak area of Wemby’s game: setting ing picks.
    I should clarify... I'd be totally game for a shift in that direction (at that coach's guidance specifically), but there are 3, maybe 4, players I'm specifically concerned about being able to execute that scheme. Two of them I specifically hope are traded this offseason though, so it's not a permanent obstacle.

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    I should clarify... I'd be totally game for a shift in that direction (at that coach's guidance specifically), but there are 3, maybe 4, players I'm specifically concerned about being able to execute that scheme. Two of them I specifically hope are traded this offseason though, so it's not a permanent obstacle.
    It’s new,but it’s probably easier than what SA is running now. You really only need to remember which way to rotate, clockwise or counter-clockwise, when the ball handler moves your way.

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    Victor does things no human has ever done in the game of basketball. There has to be someone out there who wants to develop an offense around him.

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    ima say Vogel

    no shot he wants to stick around as an assistant for the mavs with Nico running that ship
    He might be the most underrated coach in the league right now. He somehow extracted 49 wins out of this Phoenix roster and was unlucky they run into the Wolves buzzsaw when they were clicking on all cylinders. Won a le with the Lakers and made the Pacers a force in the East and the Heatles' biggest challengers (took Lebron to 2 seven-game series and one tough 6-gamer). His passage in Orlando is the only slight blemish in his career. I really think Spurs would especially benefit from an elite defensive mind like Frank.

    Ishbia seems to be having a buyer's remorse, too. Not a good look for Bud here and i think he is secretly wanting to get fired so he can jump in to the Spurs boat which will guarantee him massive job security giving the Pop factor, not to mention a far better prospects with Wemby as the cornerstone of the roster..


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    He might be the most underrated coach in the league right now. He somehow extracted 49 wins out of this Phoenix roster and was unlucky they run into the Wolves buzzsaw when they were clicking on all cylinders. Won a le with the Lakers and made the Pacers a force in the East and the Heatles' biggest challengers (took Lebron to 2 seven-game series and one tough 6-gamer). His passage in Orlando is the only slight blemish in his career. I really think Spurs would especially benefit from an elite defensive mind like Frank.

    Ishbia seems to be having a buyer's remorse, too. Not a good look for Bud here and i think he is secretly wanting to get fired so he can jump in to the Spurs boat which will guarantee him massive job security giving the Pop factor, not to mention a far better prospects with Wemby as the cornerstone of the roster..

    Amico is the imposter. Amick is the real guy. Take this with a very large grain of salt. By all accounts, KD is gone, so no need to appease him, anyway.

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    Amico is the imposter. Amick is the real guy. Take this with a very large grain of salt. By all accounts, KD is gone, so no need to appease him, anyway.
    Yeah I know Amico doesn't have a stellar reputation, but this wouldn't surprise me still. There is a solid argument that Bud has been underwhelming at Phoenix, which underscores Vogel's job in retrospect wringing out near 50 wins out of a slightly weaker roster (no PG, more injuries)..

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    I think it would be fun if PHX just always got a new coach every year. Just as an experiment, to see what happens...

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    Well, since the ship has already sailed on my first choice (Atkinson, because of his developmental prowess while coaching the Nets) You guys have talked me into Vogel.

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    Beautifully written piece on this situation today on ESPN:

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-antonio-spurs


    And lol at the thought Spurs would ever trade Keldon…

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    He might be the most underrated coach in the league right now. He somehow extracted 49 wins out of this Phoenix roster and was unlucky they run into the Wolves buzzsaw when they were clicking on all cylinders. Won a le with the Lakers and made the Pacers a force in the East and the Heatles' biggest challengers (took Lebron to 2 seven-game series and one tough 6-gamer). His passage in Orlando is the only slight blemish in his career. I really think Spurs would especially benefit from an elite defensive mind like Frank.

    Ishbia seems to be having a buyer's remorse, too. Not a good look for Bud here and i think he is secretly wanting to get fired so he can jump in to the Spurs boat which will guarantee him massive job security giving the Pop factor, not to mention a far better prospects with Wemby as the cornerstone of the roster..

    KD doesn't get enough for being a coach killer and ty GM. He "just wants to hoop" but also got Atkinson fired to bring in Nash, who he also got fired. Forced the Nets to do the trade for Harden. Forced his way out and then got Vogel fired. Pushed for the Beal trade. Now Bud is his newest victim.

    He is everything people accuse Lebron of being.

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    So those of you that want KD, if Bud is fired, who would you choose between KD and Bud? I assume if the Spurs hired Mike Budenholzer if he was fired, KD would not have any interest in coming here.

    Also, what were the reasons for KD wanting Atkinson out? Did he just not want to give him a chance?

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    So those of you that want KD, if Bud is fired, who would you choose between KD and Bud? I assume if the Spurs hired Mike Budenholzer if he was fired, KD would not have any interest in coming here.

    Also, what were the reasons for KD wanting Atkinson out? Did he just not want to give him a chance?
    Bud and it's not even close. Bud provides a lot more long-term value and wouldn't cost any assets (picks, players).

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    KD doesn't get enough for being a coach killer and ty GM. He "just wants to hoop" but also got Atkinson fired to bring in Nash, who he also got fired. Forced the Nets to do the trade for Harden. Forced his way out and then got Vogel fired. Pushed for the Beal trade. Now Bud is his newest victim.

    He is everything people accuse Lebron of being.
    Yep… except LeBron actually delivers the goods, while KD just leaves you falling short

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    KD doesn't get enough for being a coach killer and ty GM. He "just wants to hoop" but also got Atkinson fired to bring in Nash, who he also got fired. Forced the Nets to do the trade for Harden. Forced his way out and then got Vogel fired. Pushed for the Beal trade. Now Bud is his newest victim.

    He is everything people accuse Lebron of being.
    i might just be ignorant, but how do we know Durant pushed for the Harden trade and the Beal trade?

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    ESPN has a feature length story on Pop this morning: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-antonio-spurs

    A story like this only comes out under two cir stances: 1) Spurs PR are setting up the plan for Pop to eventually return (on an unknown timeline, with Mitch as interim until then) or 2) Spurs PR are setting up Pop’s retirement.

    I lean to #1 just based on the tone of the story. It’s not the career retrospective of a GOAT coach that Pop will eventually deserve… it read to me totally like it’s setting things up for a long protracted wait on Pop, because, as the article basically states “he deserves that much”

    Buckle up boys and girls.

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    So those of you that want KD, if Bud is fired, who would you choose between KD and Bud? I assume if the Spurs hired Mike Budenholzer if he was fired, KD would not have any interest in coming here.

    Also, what were the reasons for KD wanting Atkinson out? Did he just not want to give him a chance?
    Bud

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    i might just be ignorant, but how do we know Durant pushed for the Harden trade and the Beal trade?
    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nput-on-roster

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    Pop needs to retire. If Suns fire Bud than Spurs need to go hard after him and make him our future long term head coach.

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    Pop needs to retire. If Suns fire Bud than Spurs need to go hard after him and make him our future long term head coach.
    Seconded. It's time to turn the page on Pop. It's been time for a while now. The guys turns 77 next season and just had a stroke... I mean what are we even talking about here.

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    Jesus christ, just retire or stick to a front office role.

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    KD doesn't get enough for being a coach killer and ty GM. He "just wants to hoop" but also got Atkinson fired to bring in Nash, who he also got fired. Forced the Nets to do the trade for Harden. Forced his way out and then got Vogel fired. Pushed for the Beal trade. Now Bud is his newest victim.

    He is everything people accuse Lebron of being.
    Without the winning unless he had a 73-9 team dragging him to the Finals so that he could claim FMVP

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    Beautifully written piece on this situation today on ESPN:

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-antonio-spurs


    And lol at the thought Spurs would ever trade Keldon…
    To me, the most interesting tidbit from that article was that Steve Kerr was considered a potential successor to Popovich until he signed an extension with Golden State.

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    ESPN has a feature length story on Pop this morning: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-antonio-spurs

    A story like this only comes out under two cir stances: 1) Spurs PR are setting up the plan for Pop to eventually return (on an unknown timeline, with Mitch as interim until then) or 2) Spurs PR are setting up Pop’s retirement.

    I lean to #1 just based on the tone of the story. It’s not the career retrospective of a GOAT coach that Pop will eventually deserve… it read to me totally like it’s setting things up for a long protracted wait on Pop, because, as the article basically states “he deserves that much”

    Buckle up boys and girls.
    I think Pop will eventually realize he can't coach anymore but it will be way too late in the process. The FO needs to suggest a variety of options for how he can still contribute but I don't think anyone will because it's also their careers on the line that will also likely be lost.

    I expect Bud to be honest, because the FO will feel compelled to keep Pop's vision going. In fact, it seems almost inconceivable that the same FO who will let Pop decide the team's fate would then feel emboldened to totally start over in a bold new direction. Even with Pop gone his legacy and shadow will be immense.

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    While I understand the human side of things, I generally do not agree with the “hed earned of so he can do what he wants” approach to coaching.

    For players, the impact are not as profound u less you pull a Kobe that basically ran the entire organization to the ground. Those are rare cases but we’ve seen cases where players like olajuwon, Ewing, iverson, Chris Paul, Dwyane Wade and other greats given an option to either take a reduced role or get out of the way.

    For coaches, the impact is far greater as he has a much larger impact on the direction of the entire team, not to mention the mentality instilled in a young team like the spurs. I’m rather dismayed that Pop seems to be holding the spurs hostage because he still wants to hang on. This from a guy who continuously reminded everyone (correctly) that this is just a game and that people has to get over themselves. I love pop, I’ve defended him all along until this year when it’s getting obvious the coaching and FO actions are holding the team back (much later than most). I’m not ashamed of being a sniffer as Pop guided my favourite team to 2 decades of glory. I still love him and grateful that he was on the spurs and that he was one of, if not the greatest nba coach of all time. But the time has come and it would be disheartening to see him pull a kobe and destroy his own legacy because he can’t let go.

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