Our Spurs should trade the farm for Giannis!

[Trainwreck2100]

Dallas could also just decide to trade for Giannis.....

Yeah, your owner ain't agreeing to trade a corn fed white boy for a foreigner.

[024]

Didn't think this was feasible but now that the Spurs have the 2nd pick, they could have a better package over OKC and HOU.

Don't mind trading Castle to get Giannis but that won't put the Spurs in le contention just yet IMO. They still need a total retool of their role players and giving up too many assets in the trade may leave no picks remaining to get that.

Wondering if Dallas is also looking into this. For their roster, I would give up Flagg for Giannis. Just no idea how the salary works out.

[HankChinaski]

We don't want Giannis for what it will cost.

Look at New Orleans, Utah, Toronto as examples for trade options. You can get value with out trading the farm and retain future financial and trade flexibility.

[rankingtear]

We don't want Giannis for what it will cost.

Look at New Orleans, Utah, Toronto as examples for trade options. You can get value with out trading the farm and retain future financial and trade flexibility.

What would it cost? In terms unprotected picks and swaps how many years of pick control do you think Giannis is worth now?

[HankChinaski]

What would it cost?

I'm not going to play armchsir GM.

It's simple draft best player available at #2 try to squeeze teams for the best fit and assets for them to trade up, or you just keep the player and look at free agency and see abouting moving off players currently on the roster thst needs to be cut off

[rankingtear]

I'm not going to play armchsir GM.

It's simple draft best player available at #2 try to squeeze teams for the best fit and assets for them to trade up, or you just keep the player and look at free agency and see abouting moving off players currently on the roster thst needs to be cut off

You are though. There is a number in your head what is it? 7 years of pick control? 10 years?

[Pauleta14]

Haven't read the last 14 (!!! smh) pages but I don't get how a Spurs fan would even want him tbh

At best it looks like a desperate move to satisfy a franchise player to resign, which isn't the Spurs's present.

He can't shoot, he's injury prone, he doesn't have a game to last long... it's insane to me

[LeBowen]

For me the game just changed.
I'm not including both Harper and Castle in the trade. One obviously has to go, but not both.
We were all including Castle, Devin and 5 FRPs under the assumption we don't move up, but #2 is exponentially more valuable than any future pick.

[thOOdee]

People wanting to trade our rookie of the year, and what would be a first pick in any other year for a 5 year rental are crazy. You trade one of the two and two firsts (one of which is the spurs).

honestly love hankchinaski’s idea and get multiple solid pieces. Sochan, devin, and keldon are not the ones.

[LeBowen]

5 year rental

This might be the greatest thing anyone has even written in here.

[ambchang]

Again, due to the cap, Giannis or fox will have to be traded by the time Wembys extension kicks in, otherwise the spurs will have 90-95% of the cap tied to 3 players, with castle due for an extension the year after. Vassell must be unloaded to free up $25m immediately without taking on any long term salary, which is hard to do as Vassell isn’t exactly a hot commodity right now and not many teams are willing to give up 12-13% of their cap for him, unless the spurs are willing to compensate with draft assets.

Trading fox is probably the better basketball move, but optically it would be terrible for the spurs. No one will ever force their way to the spurs ever again.

[thOOdee]

This might be the greatest thing anyone has even written in here.

lol im assuming sarcasm, but honestly while curious to see a wemby giannis pairing, unless you find niche pieces to surround them, i just dont see immediate dynasty.

[LeBowen]

lol im assuming sarcasm, but honestly while curious to see a wemby giannis pairing, unless you find niche pieces to surround them, i just dont see immediate dynasty.

I just find saying something like 5 year rental hillarious. Oxymoron.

[HankChinaski]

Again, due to the cap, Giannis or fox will have to be traded by the time Wembys extension kicks in, otherwise the spurs will have 90-95% of the cap tied to 3 players, with castle due for an extension the year after. Vassell must be unloaded to free up $25m immediately without taking on any long term salary, which is hard to do as Vassell isn’t exactly a hot commodity right now and not many teams are willing to give up 12-13% of their cap for him, unless the spurs are willing to compensate with draft assets.

Trading fox is probably the better basketball move, but optically it would be terrible for the spurs. No one will ever force their way to the spurs ever again.

This is what I am seeing with going after Giannis you end up in scenarios just like the Bucks, Suns, Celtics. They are either dealing with cap / salary issues (Boston, Suns) or have no assets to work with (Bucks and Suns).

Celtics have to find someone to take on Holidays old ass and expensive contract. They are not going to want to trade White but might have to because they have too much money on their starting five with Taintyums and Brown who are not worth their salary but are good players

Spurs go after Giannis and still have fox castle and Wemby. After Wemby extension and Castle lives up to his potential you have to make moves to get under cap apron to get his extension in and no more picks to work with filling out the roster.

[thOOdee]

I just find saying something like 5 year rental hillarious. Oxymoron.

ok then, lease to own.

[HankChinaski]

Having said that. You really want Giannis you could see about an offer for either Castle or Fox plus 2 future firsts and that would be it. Trading fox wouldn't look good with working with agents in the future and Losing castle would suck but if you keep the#2 and bring in Harper you hope his shot % increases then you could be live with that.

[LeBowen]

ok then, lease to own.

It's not about the term rental, but 5 year rental.
Rental is one or two seasons, 5 years is as much as you can expect for a player you traded for and haven't drafted.

[Ice009]

Having said that. You really want Giannis you could see about an offer for either Castle or Fox plus 2 future firsts and that would be it. Trading fox wouldn't look good with working with agents in the future and Losing castle would suck but if you keep the#2 and bring in Harper you hope his shot % increases then you could be live with that.

The Spurs will not be trading Fox after he asked to be traded to the Spurs. They just don't operate like that, so no, you can't get Giannis if you have to trade Fox, simply because, the Spurs won't do that to him.

[HankChinaski]

The Spurs will not be trading Fox after he asked to be traded to the Spurs. They just don't operate like that, so no, you can't get Giannis if you have to trade Fox, simply because, the Spurs won't do that to him.

I agree they won't but people were asking what it would cost. Realistically it would have to be between those two options.

Castle +2 firsts for Giannis. Spurs keep 2025 #2 draft Harper.

As good as it gets with keeping Roster the same.

Harper appears to have a similar trajectory as Castle.

[benefactor]

Castle and two firsts.....

Maybe if I put 4 new tires on my Mustang GT and and give it a nice fresh detail they will give me a Ferrari for it.

[HankChinaski]

Castle and two firsts.....

Maybe if I put 4 new tires on my Mustang GT and and give it a nice fresh detail they will give me a Ferrari for it.

I don't see any teams willing to offer 4+ future firsts + filler that would. I think that is the best offer they receive from teams something equating that.

3 years ago I think most front offices laugh out loud laughing at an offer like that.

He should cost 4+ picks. Nobody wants to pay that anymore after the last several years and how those trades fared

[LeBowen]

Castle or Harper, Devin, salary filler and 4 to 5 FRPs is the fair price for Giannis.
Would the Spurs pay it? I'm not sure. Would I pay it? I'm also not sure.
But even if Giannis leaves, he won't be one of those guys who tanks his value and leaves Bucks with nothing in return.
He's the second best player in the league and has 3 more years on this level. Odds of anything Bucks get in return ever being better than Giannis are almost non-existant.

[Seventyniner]

How many future firsts is guaranteed #2 overall worth? Gotta be at least 3, right?

[thOOdee]

Two future allstars, and 5/4 frp for giannis is the definition of mortgaging ur future. Definitely not worth it. giannis was the 15th pick. Spurs would be gifting a get out of jail card and subsidizing bucks dumb ass decisions they got themselves into.

[Raven]

this is getting interesting