I can understand where you are coming from, I just think you picked the wrong televangelist to fit your "money hoarding" mold.
Other than that I totally agree that earthly treasures are not and should not be the central focus of our lives.
I too understand and agree that money should not be the focal point of ministry or serving God. However, its not bad that a person who happens to have a ministry also have good things in life. On top of that, I seriously doubt that Pastor Osteen is in this thing for $$$$. Marcus is en led to his own OPINION though.
Compare the public material of, oh say, Billy Graham with that of Osteen. Graham is forthright about man's sinful nature and need for salvation through accepting Christ. One does not get the sense that God should be viewed as a rich uncle or a giant ATM machine in the sky. As for Graham, if he's profiting off his ministry then I have a problem with that, but at least the message seems to be grounded in the Truth.
Billy Graham isn't living in the projects and I am sure isn't driving a Pinto.
I couldn't help laughing at this.....
Anyway, of course....
I wouldn't dare compare Osteen to one of the 20 most influential people of the 20th Century...
Nevertheless you are still proposing that material blessings are not GOD-given or can never be.... and that's not something I can't agree with... It's too absolutist of a view.
Let's Take Td Jakes For Example. He Has A Huge Church In The Dallas Area. That Church Is Very Nice. He Has Thousands Of Members. He Preaches Awesome. I Believe He Is In A Class All By Himself When It Comes To Preaching The Word Of God. He Too Has A Daily Broadcast On Television. He Too Lives In A Very Big House. He Too Drives Very Nice Cars. He Too Is Whit...wait He's Black.
Both he and Tony Evans are awesome preachers!!!
Weren't the "riches" the Catholic Church had in the XV Century one of the reasons why Luther "protested" against the Church and therefore started the Reformation?
500 years later, some Protestant tele-evangelists are doing the same thing.
I guess a human being is a human bieng, in the XV Century or in th 21st (and amassing money and more money is still as tempting).
I'm still amazed that people don't see what's wrong with a super rich minister who is distorting the message of the Gospel.
I have to agree with Marcus one more time. I guess the consumer-minded society of this country helps breed this kind of Pastors. Preach what the public wants to hear (not what's really in the Bible) and you will (a) develop a large following, (b) get rich in the process.
Where did I state that this practice is only relegated to whitey?
Anyways, I am proposing that faith is not about the material. The Gospels say to not love the material. I don't see how pastors are somehow exempt from that teaching, especially when they are using their position to ac ulate wealth.
It's not surprising. Instead of changing one's behavior, instead of subverting one's will, change the rules. So now we have a Christianity that is about getting rich and living one's life without trying to avoid sin. Who needs all that salvation stuff?
hema its pretty hard to get owned by marcus but youre making it look easy
whats that scripture about a camel and the eye of the needle, and rich man...
Marcus Is The Type Will Never Admit He Is Wrong. In His Mind He Is Always Right. Because You Are A Preacher, You Cannot Live In A Mansion. You Can't Drive The Best Cars. Leave That To The Thugs Of This World.
Yet Marcus Has No Proof Of What He Claims. Here We Are 300+ Posts, But He Has No Proof That These Preachers Are Trying To Get Rich Off Of The Bible. None.
I Guess You Can Call It Getting Owned Or Whatever. Like It Matters To Me.
1 question
do you think olsteen or pat robertson are hurtin?
by definition they should be
no priests or rabbis are driving around in cadillacs
i thought this thread was about Haley Joel Osment
PLEASE SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE WHERE IT SAYS A MAN OF GOD OUGHT TO HURT. JESUS PAID THE PRICE FOR US SO THAT WE WOULDN'T BE HURTING. WHETHER PHYSICAL, MENTAL, OR SPIRITUAL.
When I am wrong, I will.
Whoa. Since when has being a minister ever been about procuring material wealth? Review what Christ had to say about that. What did he do in the temple?In His Mind He Is Always Right. Because You Are A Preacher, You Cannot Live In A Mansion. You Can't Drive The Best Cars. Leave That To The Thugs Of This World.
I've offered plenty of proof. All I've seen offered are argument such as that a preacher can get rich off a ministry that espouses love for the material because some "thugs" have gotten rich.Yet Marcus Has No Proof Of What He Claims. Here We Are 300+ Posts, But He Has No Proof That These Preachers Are Trying To Get Rich Off Of The Bible. None.
I Guess You Can Call It Getting Owned Or Whatever. Like It Matters To Me.
Christ said not to worship the material. Christ said to forget about the ME in your life. Christ didn't have those nails driven through his body so you can get the Audi you wanted.
Christ died so that you may receive salvation despite your sins. Christ said to forget about the ways of this world.
Merry Christmas.
Ok Marcus. I'm sure you hang with these preachers just about everyday to know what they're about. You crack me up. Too bad you feel this way. I'll pray for you though.
you have
been owned
by
marcus,
marcus bryant
Wow. I've Been Owned. Woe To Me. Whatever Will I Do?
Deuteronomy 28
Blessings for Obedience
1 If you fully obey the LORD your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. 2 All these blessings will come upon you and accompany you if you obey the LORD your God:
3 You will be blessed in the city and blessed in the country.
4 The fruit of your womb will be blessed, and the crops of your land and the young of your livestock—the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.
5 Your basket and your kneading trough will be blessed.
6 You will be blessed when you come in and blessed when you go out.
7 The LORD will grant that the enemies who rise up against you will be defeated before you. They will come at you from one direction but flee from you in seven.
8 The LORD will send a blessing on your barns and on everything you put your hand to. The LORD your God will bless you in the land he is giving you.
9 The LORD will establish you as his holy people, as he promised you on oath, if you keep the commands of the LORD your God and walk in his ways. 10 Then all the peoples on earth will see that you are called by the name of the LORD, and they will fear you. 11 The LORD will grant you abundant prosperity—in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your ground—in the land he swore to your forefathers to give you.
12 The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. 13 The LORD will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the commands of the LORD your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom. 14 Do not turn aside from any of the commands I give you today, to the right or to the left, following other gods and serving them.
oh so god blesses us WITH Cadillacs
So forget about the NT and become a Jew.
If you are attempting to address me... at least spell it right...
Your attempt at using the bible to make a point is what strikes me as desperate...
Besides, I have agreed with one of Marcus's main points from the get go... Like I've said though "his other view is too absolutist" and he picked the wrong "televangelist" to label as a money hoarder....
Critical reading skills are still taught at UT no??? I don't know where you could interpret my dialogue with Marcus as being owned??? Anyway go and search for that subs ute word for chode you were looking for....
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