AJ's jumper was never solid...
Oh yeah it takes a lot of skill to toss it into Duncan and Robinson.If you could actually recall that or had tape you would know. But, hey, all that matters from a point guard is whether he can hit the 3, not if he can run an offense, distribute and set guys up well.
DId I mention AJ sucks ass, was a scrub who couldn't hold down a second string PG on the Clippers outside of SA and is by far the tiest PG to ever start for an NBA champion?Learn the game first before you type another stroke you bitter clueless clown.
Bitter? What's to be bitter about? Watching AJ get dumped by the Spurs and wind up on a lottery team the next season? Watching my team bounce his ass from the playoffs? What is to be bitter about...
I'll be embarassed and sad when the Spurs retire his jersey...that's about it.
If metaphor's became true to life and Tony took a crap on AJ's head the turd would burn up in the atmosphere 2 hours before actually hitting AJ...this is how much higher up the PG Ladder Tony is than AJ.
Only whottt would try to argue that pre-trade Barry > post-trade Barry.
Classic.
Check yourself...you are changing in midargument...while is the usual...I mean last year it was about heart etc...point being that if passing open J''s= no heart then AJ should be dead.
What you said here and now...
You said Barry was afraid to shoot last season and isn't now, more agressive whatever you want to call it...I asked you to back that up. You can't.
No no no...you can't do that...I can do the same thing last season...I can say look at his agressiveness early in the season before Pop started yanking him....I can say look at what he did when Duncan was injured. You can't chop it up like that...all players play better at times than other during the course of a season.
The only thing that can be proved is that Barry is shooting 3's at a better PCT...this is offset by the fact that his FT shooting now sucks and his 2 PCT isn't as good...He also doesn't average as many assists or rebounds...
But he is being used as more than just a spot up shooter now...and that's the way we started out using him last season as well....when he was shooting 60% from 3 or so...
but the bottom line is that you guys claimed he had no heart, was scared, and was a choker etc...
He wasn't.
Just out of curiosity, what do you want for proof if watching the games isn't enough? It's completely obvious that he passed shots up last year that he started taking after the trade deadline.
So wait, you're going to seriously argue that Brent Barry hasn't been a better player since the trade deadline?
Every time Bruce reduces star players from achieving star performances, he is criticized for his defense tactics. The reality is Nowitzki was unable to create any opportunities due to Bruce’s meticulous defense.
I hope we will use the bear trap defense tonight.
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Which is it...splitting this season at the trade dead line...or last season vs this season?
I said last season VS this season...
If you want to split it up to suit your argument I can do the same thing last season...I can show you that before Pop started yanking him for Beno and Devin he was tearing it up last season.
Which way do you guys want to do it?
What I said...
This season vs last season...
He's not getting to the FT line as much per 48, he's taking the same number of 3's per 48....
Last season he made 100 3 pointers, took the most attempts on the team, and was second on makes only to Bowen, a starter, the guy he is backing up, by 3's 3's.
He sucks when they try to use him as spot up shooter...it's just that simple. You could argue that he's playing better being the second guard off the bench than he did last season...
But the bottom line is that he isn't shooting more, and he isn't getting to the line more. He's just hitting more...but he's also being used as true guard more...instead of a 3 point specialist.
I knew he was good last season...I was right. I backed it up with fact too...
You guys based your arguments on opinion last year, and you are doing the same thing now. The only thing that is better is his PCT's...par for the course for a second year shooter with the Spurs.
Okay, show me how to figure the stats for "gets a pass at the three point line, pump fakes and passes the ball or dribbles instead of shooting" and I'll be happy to show you numbers to back up my position. If you are unwilling to accept what you see (because it's completely ing obvious), then there's no way to have a discussion with you.
whottt is amazing. I think somewhere in these posts he's trying to say that Brent Barry was better last season.
By the way, we're still waiting for you in the 22 Billion thread.
Well, now you're just drawing up a random strawman to suit your argument.
I never said (and I doubt anyone else did either) that Brent's season prior to the trade deadline was better than last year. So duh, yeah, if you want to include the first part of this year, he is overall having a worse year than last year. I'm sure you can always make up something that has nothing to do with what I said where you win.
My contention is that Brent since the trade deadline has played his best basketball as a Spur. I think that's a reasonable point of discussion. You can either say or agree or disagree or dodge the question entirely. It appears you've chosen the last.
LMAO...you actually think having foundation for an argument called, "it's ing obvious" is a good basis to begin with?
Here's the deal...it's ing obvious that Tim Duncan scores more points in the paint than Tony Parker...but guess what?
It's ing obvious that the Spurs are a boring team that struggles to score points...but guess what?
Wow.
The one human who doesn't think Barry is currently playing his best basketball as a Spur.
Yawn...
Last year:
More PPG
More APG
More 3pm
More 3pa
More FTM
More FTA
More FTA per 48
3pm per 48 = same
This year:
Better fg%
Better 3fg%.
Anything else?
Can you even begin to justify your stance?
I know I know...it's ing obvious is pretty much the ball all end all to arguments...but hey...you ought to be able to find something.
I think you and Obstructed are trying to say that we had a better bench last season...equally ludicrous...that has to be what you are saying if you think he got more open looks last season.
Since the trade, Brent Barry has played the best basketball of his time as a Spur.
True or False.
Man up and answer the question. Quit dancing.
It's ing obvious that you are a re . Barry's pulling the trigger now, which is the only difference in what he does for this team. You are welcome to believe whatever you want. I was just wondering why you were requesting that someone "back it up" with something that shows up on a box score, when it is clearly something that isn't recorded on a box score. I wasn't aware until now that you don't actually watch the games, or if you do, you don't understand what's going on.
Ahhh...that's not the argument between you and I....
The argument is if he is now taking more open shots, go back and read where it started..........to my thinking, he definitely got more open looks this year, because Parker is a flat out stud and Finley came off the bench too.
Yet he hasn't taken more shots per 48...he hasn't gotten to the line more per 48.
There's no argument on whether or not he's shooting at a better PCT...especially in the playoffs.
Okay, I understand now. We all agree that Barry is shooting threes at a much higher percentage since the trade deadline, and has come out of what I can assume we all agree was a shooting slump. Those of us that noticed that he was hesitant during the slump pointed it out, and have noticed that habit stopped coincidentally the same time Barry came out of his slump. I don't suppose there's anything else do to but agree to disagree on the reasons he is shooting better. I think it's the fact that he finally decided " it" and started pulling the trigger, but you are under no obligation to agree with me, as I am unable to give you any statistic other than his .459 three point percentage since the trade deadline.
Genesis of this arument:
whottt wrote:
And you'd think TimVP would have seen the irony when he spent all of last season ripping Brent Barry for not taking(what TimVP felt) were wide open shots.
He didn't.
TimVP responded:
Huh?
And talking about Brent Barry, your 3-point loving azz was saying that Spurs fans were wrong to expect more out of him and how Barry was playing like he always did. Now that Barry is playing like he should've played last year, he just shat on all 5,000 posts you made about him last year.
This is how Barry should play. Not that passive Barry last year who was afraid to shoot.
OWNED.
The dude is shooting 50% from 3....I'd say that alone qualifies as an improvement...the arguemtn between you and I is about whether or not he was a pussy who passed up open shots last year....You were wrong last year, you are wrong now.
Otherwise give me something anything...to back your point up.
I don't expect it...because you couldn't do it last year.
Oh and to answer your question...I'd say it's fair to say he is playing the best basketball of his Spurs career.
That's not what the argument was ever about with you and I though...
He was overly maligned last year...
Brent Barry lead the team in 2P% and Adjusted FG% last season...he was third in assists, second in 3pms, 1st in assist to TO ratio, fewest TO per 48(Bowen might have had that one)...Shot 83% from the FT line...
And what no seems to remember is he hit some huge game winning and tying shots last season.
He was the best shooter on the team in clutch situation according to 82 games.com.
And he started out red hot last season.
I agree with every single thing you just said. I personally thought he did everything well except shoot threes, and he did that very well when they were really needed. He was huge in the playoffs and was a great energy guy off the bench. I just thought he hesitated on some of his threes which would cause him to miss or not shoot at all, which hurt his percentage. Knowing he's capable of shooting 45-48 percent or better was maddening, especially in this system. I'm glad for him that he figured it out. I could swear he as much as admitted that he just decided to let it fly after nearly being traded, but maybe I imagined it. I'm on record as saying even without the consistency from the perimeter, that he earned his contract in the playoffs last year.
Do you mean November when he shot 43% from the field and 33% on threes? Or do you mean December when he shot 36% from the field and 21% on threes?
Just quit while you are behind.
woah timvp scoffed whottt harder than lamarcus bryant
Okay, I agree with all but one thing...
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