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Maybe you should read what you post.
Just embrace your inner whine.
If the Suns hit the defensive boards the way they did tonight, they win every game. Simple as that. It's not like they were making every shot they took. They had just one three at halftime. They missed several before catching fire in the third and they missed several layins and open jumpers throughout the game.
Suns didn't play great, but went after loose balls and rebounded.
Sure a few makes here, a few makes there and all that crap, but the facts is, the Mavericks have been feasting off the Suns apathy and carelessness. They've controlled the boards and tonight it was very close to a wash. Without those extra 7-10 possessions, the Mavericks percentage stayed down (rather than balooning thanks to easy putbacks) and the Mavs score stayed low.
Suns also took better care of the ball.
Suns continue to attack the boards and not force the offense, then they will be in better position to maintain their three-quarter leads, unlike games two and three.
Maybe you should read what you post.
Just embrace your inner whine.
Silly Chump, they can't do that. The only people on the planet that whine are Spurs fans and Tim Duncan.
Suns played a PHENOMENAL game in comparison to the game the Mavs played. And they shot 54% for the game -- that's not exactly not making their shots...???
If the Suns hit the defensive boards the way they did tonight, they win every game. Simple as that. It's not like they were making every shot they took. They had just one three at halftime. They missed several before catching fire in the third and they missed several layins and open jumpers throughout the game.
Suns didn't play great, but went after loose balls and rebounded.
Sure a few makes here, a few makes there and all that crap, but the facts is, the Mavericks have been feasting off the Suns apathy and carelessness. They've controlled the boards and tonight it was very close to a wash. Without those extra 7-10 possessions, the Mavericks percentage stayed down (rather than balooning thanks to easy putbacks) and the Mavs score stayed low.
Suns also took better care of the ball.
Suns continue to attack the boards and not force the offense, then they will be in better position to maintain their three-quarter leads, unlike games two and three.
Mavs still outrebounded the Suns tonight. Not by a wide margin or anything, but they did again win the 'battle of the boards'. They haven't lost that battle in the playoffs yet.
You're pretty pathetic, it's understandable given the time of year and your team's situation. However, it would be nice if every time I came on the board you didn't run up to address me like a little five year old who wants a lollipop.
Tough , moron. Continue whining.
Go Suns! I'm glad they won today...I just really like Steve Nash, Raja Bell, Stoudermire, etc...All these players are really great...
I've seen the Suns shoot 65% for a game a half-dozen times. The Suns played very well, but if you think this is the best they can play, you're sorely mistaken. , the Suns totaled seven made threes for this game. I've seen them make seven in a quarter. Suns played well, but they didn't play great, except for the effort factor. They finally cared and finally tried and that was the deciding factor.
As to the rebounds, when both teams starters were in, Dallas held a one rebound lead overall and the offensive rebounds was a wash.
Suns attacked the glass and limited the Mavericks opportunities. If you can pull your had out of the outcomes ass and take a look around at Game 2's and Game 3's play, you'd realize that Dallas didn't shoot well in either game, but really made up ground on the points and percentages department by grabbing offensive rebounds and getting easy tipins and putbacks. That really ballooned your points and percentages and hid the fact you team wasn't playing as well on offense as the score would lead you to believe. IMO, the only real deifference between tonight and the previous nights was Dallas didn't get as many possessions due to the Suns limiting the Mavs second-chance opportunities and their own turnovers.
Offensive rebounds, tipins and putbacks aren't part of a team's offense? Since when?
Please tell me you're not as dumb as you pass yourself off as.
They are offense, but they are secondary offense that is easily controlled by a defensive effort, like transition defense.
All the Suns had to do was try and rebound, rather then just let the ball bounce to able and willing Mavericks who go in for the layup.
You guys are ing and moaning about shots not falling and I'm here telling you they really haven't been falling for most of this series. That your Mavs have been getting fat off the Suns inability and not on their own ability.
That's what this game came down to. The Suns tried and the Mavericks didn't have the dozen extra possessions to pull away.
Simple as that.
"Quit talking about the past!"
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I like how you're kinda being an ass to me for no reasonMy 'had' is not in the outcomes ass, thankyouverymuch. I actually am not one that says this is the best Phoenix can play...All I said was that in comparison to how ty the Mavs looked tonight, the Suns were phenomenal.
It's no secret that the Mavs haven't played well/shot well in this series. Those little hustle plays -- offensive rebounds, tip-ins, steals, etc...that's what makes teams good. I don't understand why you're presenting that as a knock on the team -- if they can win while shooting a ty percentage because they outhustled their opponent -- FANTASTIC. I don't see that as a negative.
If you want to go into all of that....it was the Mavs ability to take advantage of the Suns inabilities in games 2 and 3. How about that?
I agree and my comments aren't as a slight to the Mavericks. They did simply outhustle the Suns. At times, however, the Suns appeared not to even care. Remember, the Mavericks pulled away late in those games. Had Phoenix put any effort into their defensive rebounding or ballcontrol, then this series could be completely different.
You are correct. So far both these teams have been about even in actual basketball play. Where Dallas had an advantage was they were hustling and trying to make plays whereas Phoenix was simply waiting for something to happen. Tonight, Phoenix hustled and made things happen.
That's the difference from this game and the previous two.
This game, the Suns put effort into whatever they did.
It wasn't the missed or made shots, because both teams have been about the same throughout the series. The deciding factor has been effort.
I corrected those who said this game was lost because Dirk and Terry were missing shots. While that's partially true, Dirk got several of his points in this series off putbacks. Take that away and Dirk has been missing a good portion of his perimeter jumpers throughout anyways.
I think you get what I'm saying, just as I get what you're saying.
Effort was the edge in this and the previous games. Made shots were the biproduct.
I do getcha...but just as you're saying this series could be completely different if the Suns would've put forth more effort yadda yadda...Tonights game would've been different if our guys had knocked down some shots. No, that's not the be all, end all as you said. But if you're going to pull out the IF card, it works for and against. Everything changes the game. Maybe if the Mavs had knocked down some shots, they would've hustled more? You never know. That's why I hate going back with the ifs...it gets ridiculous. Phoenix stunned us in the first game, we outhustled them in game 2 and 3, they beat our asses tonight. That's it. No ifs.
Dirk hasn't had a game like this in I don't know how long. It's been 42 games since he's scored under 20. 42 GAMES. Kinda weird to see that kind of performance like that. I would love to see him come out and explode in game 5.
Wasn't trying to play the "If" card.
Everything you say pretty much sums it up. Suns can't depend on the Mavericks missing a few more shots than normal and have to continue to crash the boards and take care of the ball. Meanwhile, the Mavs can't depend on the Suns fourth-quarter carelessness and allow themselves to trail entering the fourth quarter every game. Each team has to put the effort into making plays, not just taking what's given.
The team that does, wins.
^ and I was not trying to tie those together
agreed. you're a smart fan. i like that.
He already started: (in regards to Dirk) "Hopefully the next game, he'll do a better job of making harder drives and get to the free-throw line"
Aka, "hopefully the refs will give him about 25-30 FTs so we can win by one next game."
He fails to realize that Bennett Salvatore was trying to give the Mavs the game in the 2nd half, but they shot 42 percent.
You fail to realize that Doug Collins is an idiot who couldn't coach his way out of anything (got Jordan to the second round once before Phil stepped in and they went all the way 6 times)... and Doug was on the first US Olympic Basketball Team to lose the gold-medal game (against Russia in 1972). Basically, his opinion doesn't cout, because (a) that was a quick foul on Dirk, but it was still a legit foul and (b) every time Dirk extends his elbow or lets out a yell when he loses the ball or runs into Tim Duncan's foot and awkwardly falls to the ground, the Suns/Spurs/Grizzlies are getting whistled for the foul.
I think Dirk has personally shot more FTs this season than the Suns have as a team because when they try to drive, they rarely get the calls (aka Devin Harris's "dry hump" defense). I'll be surprised to see if Avery thinks the Suns have found their bear-hug defense by game 5 and the officials will probably agree...
How the are you half hispanic?
Hispanic isn't a race, it's a spanish speaking person.
Mavs fans were probably WATCHING the game since their team is still in the playoffs...instead of following along with play by play on a message board for a game that's on national TV...
<---- Not worried!! Just one of those games...Suns on and Mavs off...won't happen again...
LOL...unbelievable...
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I love it!!!
I REALLY doubt Jet will ever see $20M / season...
I know - AJ and his wife can't keep either of their big-ass mouths shut...LOL...unbelievable...
How the are you half hispanic?
Hispanic isn't a race, it's a spanish speaking person.
Technically, being of Hispanic descent means you're from Spain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic
However, to most people it seems to mean anyone from a Spanish speaking culture, which always seemed wrong to me.
I doubt many people would consider an African-American who spoke Spanish to be considered "Hispanic"...
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