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Butler is already ahead of Javtokas offensively. I don't ever see RJ scoring 22 in an NBA game. Defensively I'd certainly have to give the edge to RJ. We'll have to find out if Butler is coachable in that regard.
Yeah, okay, more than an edge ... just countering the argument that Butler had more upside in the other thread.
Butler is already ahead of Javtokas offensively. I don't ever see RJ scoring 22 in an NBA game. Defensively I'd certainly have to give the edge to RJ. We'll have to find out if Butler is coachable in that regard.
Having NBA experience doesn't mean a whole lot, look at Manu. Many believe that Javtokas' skills would translate very well to the NBA. The age, yeah that's something but not something that tips the scales in his favor I don't think.
NBA expreience does mean alot, manu is the exception not the rule. How many Euros have come and gone? Also alot of people believe Scola's skill translate to the NBA, doesn't mean they do. Jak couldn't have become a solid roll player but we don't know that for sure.
IMO it doesn't matter either way because If the spurs would have signed Jak he would have played the roll Oberto played this season and wouldn't have seen much playing time. To me it seems the spurs needed help now not next season which is why they went with butler/elson.
For players like Elson and Butler, I don't think it's as big a deal (having NBA experience). There is a reason they were where they were on the depth charts. Butler may have upside but we'll see if he pans out. I have my reservations.
Regarding being able to step in and help, Jav would have been able to do that as a backup (which is all we're really getting anyway ... if we get them). It's center by committee no matter what unless we make a trade.
Javtokas is also the exception rather than the rule. He is far from the prototypical european center. He is extremely athletic, even post accident. If he had half an offensive game, he'd be a star at any level. I, for one, had hope that he could develop that here but it's not going to happen, at least not this year.
Can anyone confirm that the Javtokas signing with the Greek team has occurred. I know that sounds like a silly question but first you had a statement attributed to Javtokas that said the talk of a contract with them was bull and I can't find an announcenment on their website which appears to be updated daily (maybe I'm looking in the wrong place). Of course, yes, every other website in Europe has him on their roster for this year. Anyone know of a confirmation by the team?
At some point before or during the negotiations, the Spurs lost Nazr. It's possible that Robertas and his agents thought that he had a chance of starting and either started talking about PT or about getting starter type money. That would have soured the Spurs immediately because the last thing they need is a guy thinking he should start and barking about it all year. People that know Rasho know he was extraordinarily pissed at not getting playing time, but he never said a word about it or disrupted the locker room. The offers to Elson and Butler may have been designed to put Robertas in his place, so to speak. If he overreacts to it, there's not much anyone can do.
NOW it's official , Javtokas is PAO player from now on, agent confirmed that, and told that Spurs have no chance to deal with him ! (this year)
Sometimes you simply have an unmakeable deal. Scola is one examle. He's not willing to make his buyout and play for the salary the Spurs think he is worth to them.
Javtokas got a of a raise from the Greek team and will probably do well there. The money was obviously the major factor in his decision, not coming to play in the NBA.
Spurs obviously didn't want to match or beat the Greek offer based on their estimation of Javtokas skill sets coming into the league as a rookie, his age, and what other factors they may have considered. I doubt they made the decision lightly.
Check this New:
Give me a break
The Washington Wizards signed free agent forward Darius Songaila to a five-year, $23 million dollar deal, Songaila's agent, Mark Bartlestein, told ESPN.com.
Songaila's deal includes a player option for the fifth year of the contract.
Songaila is a skilled four man with a sweet outside shot and the ability to go inside and bang. The move means that it's now very likely that the Wizards' first-round pick, Olexsiy Pecherov, will return to Europe for another season, a source close to the Wizards confirmed to ESPN.com.
The moves use the up the majority of the Wizards' mid-level exception, with Songaila's deal taking up around $4 million of Washington's $5.135 million mid-level exception.
And we are talking about, 10 millions 3 years for Javtokas or Scola
If Songaila Deserves this Contract, Javtokas and Scola more than that, its ridiculous
Javtokas is a starter in Lithuania, and Songaila is a Role Player
In all the FIBA´s Chamionships Songaila Never Exist
Songaila vs USA in Athens 7 Points 3 Rebounds
Vs Italy in Semis: & points and 7 RB
Vs USA in the Bronze Medal Match: 5 Points and 4 rebounds
HAHAHAHAHAHA
23 MILLIONS, VERY FUNNY
See what happens when you play a couple of years in the NBA?
You get paid.
this is also where wizards have no cap room
jeffries is also think of bolting next year...
Take what you can. Come to the States. Play well and you'll never have to worry about money again.
And *poof* goes your argument. He doesn't. That's why the Wizards suck and the Spurs contend for championships.
AndRe-LT
Javtokas told, to lithuanian newspaper, that Spurs offered him twice less, than Panatinaikos ! it will be around 1y/750.000 !
P.S pafetic spurs offseason !Ducks Was that euro's or usa moneywILDbILL2u
With the anticipated rise in the value of the Euro vs. the Dollar in the next year because of slowing US economy, etc. the value of his contract could be substantially more.
Please don't forget that the better players, Jav was listed as the # 3 Center in Europe, get an apartment and a car as part of their perks, also I believe
his season will only be about 40 games.
How the does 2 years make you a veteran?
Two years are better than 0 years.
The most pathetic thing is that
With full MLE and the LLE, we can´t sign a solid center
we made Offers to the 3rd Center of the Knicks and Denver
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