Mahinmi and Scola to meet

[ArgSpursFan]

Did I say I was the Spurs? I said I can see where the Spurs are coming from.

Are the Spurs racist too?

Thanx god no.
and thanx god you´re only a fan too

[timvp]

Thanx god no.
and thanx god you´re only a fan too

They aren't racist even though their thinking on the market value of Scola and Javtokas are the same figures I've posted?

So timvp is racist for agreeing with the Spurs. But the Spurs aren't racist for actually doing the deed.

Got it.

[Mr. Body]

If Scola was so obviously worth $10-12M, a team would have traded for him and signed him. The Spurs have offered him in trades for a while now and I haven't even heard of a team interested at all.

The problem is not that he's not worth that amount, but that there has been a double cost to teams: 1) the amount to trade for his rights; and 2) the amount to sign him at any rate. If he were a free agent asking for $9-10M/3 years, he'd be playing in the NBA right now. But it's hard to give up that amount plus what the Spurs have been asking for.

[timvp]

The problem is not that he's not worth that amount, but that there has been a double cost to teams: 1) the amount to trade for his rights; and 2) the amount to sign him at any rate.

But if Scola was Charles Barkley or Karl Malone or whoever else he's been compared to in this thread, wouldn't teams be lining up to try to get him away from the Spurs? The Spurs have offered him to teams to just move up in the draft and have been shot down.

If he were a free agent asking for $9-10M/3 years, he'd be playing in the NBA right now.

He gets it, folks. He really gets it.

But it's hard to give up that amount plus what the Spurs have been asking for.

True. Especially for an unproven talent. If he were the obvious superstar that some paint him to be, some team out there would trade ten spots in the draft for him.

But he's not an obvious superstar and that's why he isn't worth much to other teams and that's why the Spurs aren't going to budge on their offer of $5-6M.

[ArgSpursFan]

timvp hates argentines cause he thinks argentines only know soccer and beef and basketball. get over it or move to another site.

fixed Mr. Guevara

[AFBlue]

The problem is not that he's not worth that amount, but that there has been a double cost to teams: 1) the amount to trade for his rights; and 2) the amount to sign him at any rate. If he were a free agent asking for $9-10M/3 years, he'd be playing in the NBA right now. But it's hard to give up that amount plus what the Spurs have been asking for.

Which leads to the logical conclusion that the Spurs should pay him his $3M, bring him over next year (as the best available option), let him establish his true market value, and then the Spurs can proceed from there with making the decision as to whether he's a long-term piece or a trade asset.

Pay the man his piddly $3M, bring him over, and start his ass next to Tim Duncan...based on what's available, it's low risk (little opportunity cost being surrendured).

[timvp]

Which leads to the logical conclusion that the Spurs should pay him his $3M, bring him over next year (as the best available option), let him establish his true market value, and then the Spurs can proceed from there with making the decision as to whether he's a long-term piece or a trade asset.

Pay the man his piddly $3M, bring him over, and start his ass next to Tim Duncan...based on what's available, it's low risk (little opportunity cost being surrendured).

The Spurs have offered him more than that. But he wanted three to four times that to come over.

[Kori Ellis]

Which leads to the logical conclusion that the Spurs should pay him his $3M, bring him over next year (as the best available option), let him establish his true market value, and then the Spurs can proceed from there with making the decision as to whether he's a long-term piece or a trade asset.

Pay the man his piddly $3M, bring him over, and start his ass next to Tim Duncan...based on what's available, it's low risk (little opportunity cost being surrendured).

If the Spurs can't trade for a PF or if they give up on Jackie Butler, then I think bringing him here for 3 year/$10M deal (with the third year as a team option) is a solution, if his buyout is actually a reasonable amount. However, I think they'll continue to look to trade and look at other NBA free agents first.

[Mr. Body]

He gets it, folks. He really gets it.

That's what I've been saying all along. Have we been arguing about nothing?

Ah... no, I remember. You're saying he should be strong-armed by the team into accepting a cheaper deal and be happy about it or something. That may well happen, but probably not.

[AFBlue]

If he were the obvious superstar that some paint him to be, some team out there would trade ten spots in the draft for him.

But he's not an obvious superstar and that's why he isn't worth much to other teams and that's why the Spurs aren't going to budge on their offer of $5-6M.

If he were an obvious superstar he'd be asking for a 5yr $80M...

$3M is relatively cheap for a potentially solid starter...even if he ends up being a bench guy (15-20mpg) it's not a HORRIBLE contract. Again, what better option do the Spurs have?

[timvp]

Not impressed with anyone on the list???

Of the players on that list you posted, I'd be interested in the following players for the right price:

Ryan Hollins
Andres Nocioni
P.J. Brown
Anderson Varejao
DeSagana Diop
Antonio McDyess
Brian Skinner
Darko Milicic
Joe Smith
Kurt Thomas

If Scola holds steady on his demand for $10-12M, I'd see if one of those players could be had for their actual market value.

[Mr. Body]

Scola shouldn't/wouldn't come over for $1M a year 'to establish his trade value'. He can make a better living sticking with Tau, who won't count him so cheaply.

[ArgSpursFan]

But if Scola was Charles Barkley or Karl Malone or whoever else he's been compared to in this thread, wouldn't teams be lining up to try to get him away from the Spurs? The Spurs have offered him to teams to just move up in the draft and have been shot down.



But he's not an obvious superstar and that's why he isn't worth much to other teams and that's why the Spurs aren't going to budge on their offer of $5-6M.

Like I said before and i say it again,He may not worth 3.5 M a year,but He aint a full to be paying his buy out by him self,the spurs need to help him out if they really want him,may be they didn´t do it in the past cause timmy was still young,horry wasn´t sucking this bad and They thought with Elson/oberto was enough for the roster.
but,I think this off season we´ll see what´s gonna happen for real.
I also don´t think the spurs tryed to get rid of Scola´s rights,but if they did,they tried to get a good proven player with more NBA experience tham Scola in exchange and that´s why they couldn´t do it.
Cause they know that they won´t let Scola´s rights go for nothing.

[timvp]

That's what I've been saying all along. Have we been arguing about nothing?

Ah... no, I remember. You're saying he should be strong-armed by the team into accepting a cheaper deal and be happy about it or something. That may well happen, but probably not.

I guess he doesn't get it.

Do you really think that Vassilis Spanoulis couldn't have gotten more than the three-year, $5M deal (third year team option) he got with the Rockets?

If Spanoulis was on the open market, he would have gotten as much as Scola would on the open market. If not more.

[timvp]

Like I said before and i say it again,He may not worth 3.5 M a year

Which is reason enough to be hesitant in giving it to him then, right? Or is that racist too?

,but He aint a full to be paying his buy out by him self,the spurs need to help him out if they really want him

The Spurs can only help with a small portion dictated by the CBA.

,may be they didn´t do it in the past cause timmy was still young,horry wasn´t sucking this bad and They thought with Elson/oberto was enough for the roster.

Or they thought Scola wasn't worth the money.

but,I think this off season we´ll see what´s gonna happen for real.

I can guarantee you the Spurs won't give him more than $10M to come over. You can either believe me or what for it to happen.

I also don´t think the spurs tryed to get rid of Scola´s rights,but if they did,they tried to get a good proven player with more NBA experience tham Scola in exchange and that´s why they couldn´t do it.
Cause they know that they won´t let Scola´s rights go for nothing.

The Spurs have offered him to teams just to move up in the draft about ten spots. And still, there has never been anything close to a bite.

Maybe the whole NBA is racist.

[ArgSpursFan]

I guess he doesn't get it.

Do you really think that Vassilis Spanoulis couldn't have gotten more than the three-year, $5M deal (third year team option) he got with the Rockets?

If Spanoulis was on the open market, he would have gotten as much as Scola would on the open market. If not more.

So,basically you´re saying that,foreings need to work harder and cheaper to proof themself, and them, if everybody is happy with them, them they should get more money?

[AFBlue]

If the Spurs can't trade for a PF or if they give up on Jackie Butler, then I think bringing him here for 3 year/$10M deal (with the third year as a team option) is a solution, if his buyout is actually a reasonable amount. However, I think they'll continue to look to trade and look at other NBA free agents first.

Or they could shelf Oberto in favor of Scola. Oberto is a team-oriented guy and even if he doesn't exercise his player option to get out of the current contract, he has no quams with riding the pine....he did it all the first year.

[Kori Ellis]

So,basically you´re saying that,foreings need to work harder and cheaper to proof themself, and them, if everybody is happy with them, them they should get more money?

Not just foreigners, any unproven talent.

[AFBlue]

Scola shouldn't/wouldn't come over for $1M a year 'to establish his trade value'. He can make a better living sticking with Tau, who won't count him so cheaply.

Let me clarify to you and TIMVP....I meant $3M per year. Basically in agreement with the proposed contract by Kori...

[timvp]

So,basically you´re saying that,foreings need to work harder and cheaper to proof themself, and them, if everybody is happy with them, them they should get more money?

Where the are you getting this? In what planet is a 3-year, $6M contract slave labor?

That's what first round draft picks get. I'm basically saying I'd give Scola a contract that'd pay him as much as a lottery pick. And actually it's better than a regular rookie contract, because those last four years.

So no, I'm saying Scola should get paid like a lottery pick, except become a free agent one year sooner.

[AFBlue]

Of the players on that list you posted, I'd be interested in the following players for the right price:

Ryan Hollins - talk about unproven...
Andres Nocioni - at least worth MLE if not more
P.J. Brown - another aged veteran?
Anderson Varejao - a fan favorite in cleveland and restricted
DeSagana Diop - will be looking to cash in on new bod, rep
Antonio McDyess - will be looking for one last payday
Brian Skinner - not bad, but good play of late ups his value
Darko Milicic - young, talented...at least MLE
Joe Smith - Didn't you bash the idea of getting him in the "reasonable trade" thread
Kurt Thomas - another aged veteran?

If Scola holds steady on his demand for $10-12M, I'd see if one of those players could be had for their actual market value.

Some of those are likely priced out of range, some are old, and some are no upgrade over current roster peeps....face it, there is no Reggie Evans in this group.

BTW...having gone to Baylor, I like Skinner...but that has less to do with his talent level and more to do with allegiance to my alma mater. He's a good workhorse though.

[ArgSpursFan]

Where the are you getting this? In what planet is a 3-year, $6M contract slave labor?
.

I never said Slave labor,but you brought it up though.

[diego]

For the 10th time in this thread I'll repeat that I want Scola on the Spurs. He's an intriguing prospect. However, I can see why the Spurs would be hesitant to give him an unprecedented contract. Same with Javtokas. He would be a Spur right now if he would have come for his market value - a one year, minimum contract.

I didnt bother to read the racist bit because its clear argspursfan went overboard and said something stupid.

but scola and javotkas are different situations. scola is a proven player, you'll be hardpressed to get a player through the draft or freeagency with his resume (top performer in euroleague and international play- for your sake lets assume that is equivalent to being a college star). the only thing better is proven NBA performers, and SA is almost always going to lack the money to compete for the attractive pieces (some other irresponsible owner is always going to offer more than us). javotkas on the other hand had a good year in the lithuanian league after getting hurt, the spurs reportedly made him a fair offer, but he refused for more money. as far as i know, scola hasnt refused any offer from the spurs, his agent ed because he couldnt field offers from other teams. Scola is screwed because of that contract he signed nearly a decade ago at age 16. I firmly believe the spurs are going to bring him in now, remember also that scola didnt extend his contract this time, despite a huge offer. scola isnt a perfect fit for the spurs needs right now, but he can still strengthen the frontcourt and provide bench scoring, I'm 100% sure of it.

Of course, if the spurs end up winning theyll probably be able to get him (or whoever else) cheaper than if they crash and burn in the 1st round. I really dont think there's a better option than scola in our draftpick-range, nor through trade pieces, nor through freeagency (is the FO going to enter bidding wars? i doubt it. we have little capspace and several needs).

[Kori Ellis]

I didnt bother to read the racist bit because its clear argspursfan went overboard and said something stupid.

but scola and javotkas are different situations. scola is a proven player...

As much as you or me or anyone else might consider Scola a proven player, obviously the Spurs don't consider him proven enough to warrant the salary he has wanted.

So unless the Spurs viewpoint on that changes this season, then this upcoming summer it will just be the same.

[ArgSpursFan]

I didnt bother to read the racist bit because its clear argspursfan went overboard and said something stupid.

but scola and javotkas are different situations. scola is a proven player, you'll be hardpressed to get a player through the draft or freeagency with his resume (top performer in euroleague and international play- for your sake lets assume that is equivalent to being a college star). the only thing better is proven NBA performers, and SA is almost always going to lack the money to compete for the attractive pieces (some other irresponsible owner is always going to offer more than us). javotkas on the other hand had a good year in the lithuanian league after getting hurt, the spurs reportedly made him a fair offer, but he refused for more money. as far as i know, scola hasnt refused any offer from the spurs, his agent ed because he couldnt field offers from other teams. Scola is screwed because of that contract he signed nearly a decade ago at age 16. I firmly believe the spurs are going to bring him in now, remember also that scola didnt extend his contract this time, despite a huge offer. scola isnt a perfect fit for the spurs needs right now, but he can still strengthen the frontcourt and provide bench scoring, I'm 100% sure of it.

Of course, if the spurs end up winning theyll probably be able to get him (or whoever else) cheaper than if they crash and burn in the 1st round. I really dont think there's a better option than scola in our draftpick-range, nor through trade pieces, nor through freeagency (is the FO going to enter bidding wars? i doubt it. we have little capspace and several needs).

i like what you just said,besides the ¨I´d say something stupid part¨but,honetly how much you think scola worths,considering that HE is gonna have to pay a big part of his buy out?not 3.5 M p/year?