:( Chris Benoit

[clambake]

They don't know what he was injecting him with yet...they just know the boy had needle marks in his arms...the results of what it was will be out next week.

They suspect it was HGH, and they were doing it because the kid had dwarfism...

I saw the family on some video footage. I didn't notice that. Is that a proper way to treat dwarfism? Sounds strange.

[whottt]

I saw the family on some video footage. I didn't notice that. Is that a proper way to treat dwarfism? Sounds strange.

Um...it sounds like a pretty ed up thing to do to me. I don't know maybe it is a treatment for dwarfism...I didn't think there was anything they could do for it other than that operation where they cut their bones in the arms and legs and force the bones to grow back longer.

[whottt]

FWIW I just read that Dwarfism is(or can be) caused by HGH deficiency...I don't know if it's a treatment.

[clambake]

I just looked it up. HGH was initally approved by the FDA as a treatment for dwarfism in small children. no

[whottt]

Ron Dupree -- also from your list.



http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.co...on-dupree.html

I'm sure it was a different guy.

Have you ever actually watched a wrestling match?


Wrestlers work as Special Refs and announcers...they also still wrestle, they get involved in the matches just like wrestlers. They even *gasp* impact the outcome of the match from time to time...would you believe that?

[whottt]

I just looked it up. HGH was initally approved by the FDA as a treatment for dwarfism in small children. no

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Don't let timvp hear you say that...he was using that to gear up for his future as an Iranian stoner(the real kind)...

[timvp]

This wrestler was just misunderstood. F the wife and the dwarf.

[whottt]

Here...

Anyone that thinks men hitting each other in full pads once a week is in any way equivalent to doing this night after night...with minimal pads...

Well, you go right ahead and think that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FH4I...elated&search=

[timvp]

I think it was either concussions or maybe Hulk Hogan set him up

[whottt]

hate first, then get the facts, and whottt is defending Benoit being a murderer inspite of the fact that he hasn't actually defended Benoit being a murderer, the link is this thread

[timvp]

I can't believe a dwarf got in the way of this guy's wrestling career

[Vertigo]

This guy is in the OJ club as far as I'm concerned.

[timvp]

ATLANTA -- In the days before pro wrestler Chris Benoit killed his wife and child and hanged himself, the couple argued over whether he should stay home more to take care of their mentally re ed 7-year-old son, an attorney for the wrestling league said Wednesday.

"I think it's fair to say that the subject of caring for that child was part of what made their relationship complicated and difficult, and it's something they were both constantly struggling with," said Jerry McDevitt, an attorney for World Wrestling Entertainment. "We do know it was a source of stress and consternation."

McDevitt said the wrestling organization learned from the couple's friends and relatives that the Benoits were struggling with where to send the boy to school since he had recently finished kindergarten.

I guess he solved that problem, right whottt?

[ChumpDumper]

Stanley Stasiak - also from the list. This is from the bio at the same site.

A couple of months later, on Thursday, September 3, 1931, Stasiak wrestled for Mickailoff against former world champion Ed Don George. In its preview of the match, the Star described Stasiak as "the greatest showman in the game" and labelled the bout a "grudge fight" -- Stasiak was said to have been hospitalized in January after a match with George in Buffalo.

The Toronto show drew 7,500 fans to the Arena Gardens. The Globe described the match as "a gruelling struggle" and "a rough-and-tumble affair" which saw George win in straight falls. He took the first in 41:28 after a number of flying tackles and the second in just 3:10. What wasn't apparent to the audience was that Stasiak had suffered a broken arm during the bout, but it wasn't considered to be anything serious at the time. "The biggest crowd of the season applauded George till their hands were sore and then went home saying what they thought about Stasiak," reported the Star.

Leaving Toronto, Stasiak headed for Montreal, but he never got that far. His arm had become infected and blood poisoning had set in. He was hospitalized in Belleville on Monday, September 7 with the Globe reporting that his arm was "in a dangerous condition." He underwent surgery on Wednesday with another round on Thursday by a specialist brought in by Mickailoff, but it didn't stop his condition from getting worse. The blood poisoning spread from Stasiak's arm to his shoulder and down his right side. On Friday, the Star reported that Stasiak was "seriously ill." The next day, it said his wife was by his side in Belleville.

Stasiak never left Belleville and died there on Sunday, September 13 at age 36.

http://www.garywill.com/toronto/stasiak.htm


Too much time. Doesn't count.

[kris]

Dude i dont know what type of ground you think you are standingb on but in the world of people with brains its not very solid. What's this mutually exclusive bull crap you keep babbling about? Noone will argue that wrestlers die cuz of drugs, etc, but to try to seriously pull off an argument that wrestlers don't take a beating, and don't die because of said beatings is ridiculous. You owned yourself in your own first sentence. I flashed down the link whottt provided and saw 5 or 6 asterisks, 2 of which were in the 40-60's and the rest were early 90's. Show me football deaths on the field for teh early 90s, then I will show you every asterisked name on that list from the early 90s and we will crunch real numbers.
You're standing on quicksand.

Ok, you're right I am on quicksand. I need to stop trying to prove several things about pro wrestling with middle aged men on the internet. I've also gone so much over my monthly post quota that I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make anymore.

So one last response.

a. Whott argued contradicted his argument, but then argued "that wrestlers die cuz of drugs, etc." So there's your no one will argue wrestlers die because of drugs.

b. You say this, "Noone will argue that wrestlers die cuz of drugs, etc, but to try to seriously pull off an argument that wrestlers don't take a beating, and don't die because of said beatings is ridiculous." - after I said this "As for whether they take a beating, I'll conceed to you they take more punishment than I thought. Whether it's worse than football, I still say no way."

c. You say this, "You owned yourself in your own first sentence. I flashed down the link whottt provided and saw 5 or 6 asterisks, 2 of which were in the 40-60's and the rest were early 90's." - and I really don't know what to say to you. 1 - how much could you really know after only a sampling of 5 or 6 astericks when whott claimed there were 57. 2 - I didn't say when the deaths occurred, all I said was that steroids and drugs caused deaths. I never said the astericked deaths didn't happen in the 90s. Did you happen to see the 100s of other non astericked items?

As for which is more dangerous, football or wrestling, I obviously don't have any stats behind me. More people die in wrestling, but wrestlers are wrestling a million times more than football players play football games which you two wrestling aficianados already said. I'm thinking in terms of situations. In a wrestling match, everything is set up and you have practiced over and over how to do a pile driver and so on. In football you have 270 lb linebackers trying to knock your head off, etc. Which is more dangerous in the moment? football. Still, you jump off the top rope 500 times a year, after 10-20 years, you're bound to land wrong. Thus, so you don't interpret this wrong again, I'm conceeding this point.

You owned yourself in your own first sentence.
You're standing on quicksand.

I'm not standing on quicksand, I'm sitting in a chair in front of my laptop. I didn't own myself in my first sentence, what I said was true. Go back and look. Even if I was wrong, I didn't own myself. It just means I was wrong.

I'm stopping now so if I get owned again, I'll just have to deal with it the rest of my life.

[ChumpDumper]

Y'know, most of the wrestlers I was able to look up died from heart attacks during or after the match, not injuries from other wrestlers. So I'm going to have to include all those nontrauma deaths from football too.

[whottt]

I guess he solved that problem, right whottt?

What would be your solution? A bloodletting?


Since concussions don't cause depression or mental disorders in your world...what does?

Evil spirits?


Let me know when you discover fire. We'll talk it out then.

[whottt]

By the way timvp...I applaud your anti-steroid stance...I personally think they are garbage too.

I admire the way you actually fielded a fantasy baseball team from the Steroid Republic without drafting a single roid user...


And...I bet AJ's bench press prowess(which I believe would be the World Record in an official compe ion) was purely natural too...

Evil Spirits!

[whottt]

Y'know, most of the wrestlers I was able to look up died from heart attacks during or after the match, not injuries from other wrestlers. So I'm going to have to include all those nontrauma deaths from football too.

I never realized it was that easy to keep you occupied for like 6 hours.

I hate to say it slick..but it's already been proven that list doesn't include all the wrestlers that died in the ring either...and it doesn't asterisk all the ones that died from wrestling related injuries...as your list did...you idiot.

Meanwhile...anytime you want to produce some names and causes of death for your list...feel free. I know..less is more...just like Pop benching someone equals them sucking...Steve Kerr and Oberto be damned.

[timvp]

What would be your solution?

I think not killing him would be a start.

[ChumpDumper]

I never realized it was that easy to keep you occupied for like 6 hours.

Mul asking.

I hate to say it slick..but it's already been proven that list doesn't include all the wrestlers that died in the ring either...and it doesn't asterisk all the ones that died from wrestling related injuries.

It has also been proven to include professional female golfers that died of cancer, wrestlers that died of non-wrestling ailments and wrestlers that died far outside your self-imposed time limit.

Meanwhile...anytime you want to produce some names and causes of death for your list...feel free.

That wasn't what you asked me to do. Why do you constantly move the goldposts and pretend there are multiple Babe Zahariases and make excuses for Benoit's being a ing s bag killer?

[timvp]

By the way timvp...I applaud your anti-steroid stance...I personally think they are garbage too.

I admire the way you actually fielded a fantasy baseball team from the Steroid Republic without drafting a single roid user...


And...I bet AJ's bench press prowess(which I believe would be the World Record in an official compe ion) was purely natural too...

Evil Spirits!

More excuse making? Now its steroids who killed the wife and kid?

Just promise me whottt that you'll never become a fan of timvp.

First Raffy, then Juan Gone, then the Cavs and then this guy. Keep these anti-jinx posts flowin'.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess whottt can say I told you so if AJ kills his wife and kids.

[timvp]

I guess whottt can say I told you so if AJ kills his wife and kids.

Naw with as much anti-jinxing whottt has given AJ over the years, AJ will probably win ten more championships and then become the leader of the free world before finally God just hands him over the reigns to the universe.

[whottt]

Mul asking.It has also been proven to include professional female golfers that died of cancer, wrestlers that died of non-wrestling ailments and wrestlers that died far outside your self-imposed time limit.

Prove who it was then...

That wasn't what you asked me to do.

Um,....if you ever did what I'd asked you to do you'd still be ing yourself...from like, 5 years ago.

Why do you constantly move the goldposts and pretend there are multiple Babe Zahariases and make excuses for Benoit's being a ing s bag killer?

Um...the argument you are involved in with me has nothing to do with Benoit being a s bag killer...

It has to do with whether or not wrestling is more physically destructive than football...




Benoit is a s bag killer...I hate him and wish he were dead.

At least the death of his wife and child served a valuable purpose of teaching me and Tim Duncan a lesson about kicking Chump's ass in message board arugments.