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Wow, so the Ellises agree that bringing Artest is a calculated risk that is worth the potential reward.
Nice.
One of my favorite quotes
Wow, so the Ellises agree that bringing Artest is a calculated risk that is worth the potential reward.
Nice.
Artest respects Duncan. All the more for him working out in San Antonio.
I'm not a big fan of Artest but for what the spurs would be considering trading for him it is worth it.
Perhaps this is the man behind the IP.
Some of you stats fans can back me up on this one, but I do recall a finals appearence by Artest in Indy when he just went nuts and started jacking up shots trying singlehandedly to win the series. He singlehandedly lost it.
I don't want a guy like that in the Spurs. It's just wrong.
The realgm link is really intresting. Nice investigative work HC.
Well, you just stick his ass on the bench. I don't even know if he'll play end-game scenarios.
That's what concerns me about that guy. The team could invest a good amount of time integrating him into the rotation, he plays well and gets more minutes, and then in the playoffs he does something stupid. Sure, bench him. But that Fs up the program. I don't think you can count on him, which is why his price is in the ballpark of a couple expiring contracts and a low 1st round pick.
Bonner and Elson are worthless, ship them both out for Artest
but Barry and Elson would make the most sense for the Kings
That's EXACTLY what I said.
Nice to have someone agree with me on this.
I think Ex is deadset against Artest as well.
Does anyone see Pop doing this? I just don't see it. Pop has NEVER made a move for a guy like Artest. Glenn Robinson was a different animal.
If Pop does do this it smacks to me of a reaction to all the moves made by other teams. Maybe that's the right response, but I don't think so. I trust in this team's ability to build to a crescendo over the next 30 games, just like every year. Pop would be admitting he doesn't believe in this squad enough. I do. I think these guys can win the le with the same approach they've always taken from here on in. Artest is a risk to the cohesion of the plan.
what concerns me is rockets and nuggets are also interested
alot of the west teams tryin to improve b4 deadline,
while we stay pat? fok this
How does that "F up the program"?
You think that Pop will allow him to lose a game, much less a series for us.
Let me break it down simply:
How much are Barry, Elson and the first rounder playing for us these days?
Question.
How much is a playoff win or a series win worth?
You miss the point. If Artest is that great of an addition on the court then he will see more time. Then Artest does something dumb. You can't rely on him. The Spurs need players they can rely on in the postseason. That's part of the reason they go with veteran role players. And that's why you don't see the Spurs loaded to the brim with "young ballas".You think that Pop will allow him to lose a game, much less a series for us.
Championship success is not built on just throwing the best 5 players in terms of talent on the court. It's built on a system with players who execute.
The 1st rounder doesn't lack value. Barry and Elson could be moved for someone else.Let me break it down simply:
How much are Barry, Elson and the first rounder playing for us these days?
Question.
If he does something dumb, Pop will bench him, just like he does when any of the Spurs fvck up, including the Big Three.
If you are so hung up on the first rounder, then you would not want to send the same package for K. Thomas.
Knife cuts both ways, champ.
Great, so Pop will bench him after the fact.
You can rely on Thomas. He will fit in your system.
The knife must be stuck in your eye because you can't see .
What could Artest possibly do in one play to destroy the disciplined Spurs chances?
I think you are shook by the Indiana/Detroit incident from year's past.
It was the 2004 East Finals against Detroit.
Game 1: 6-23 FG, 1-5 3pt, 4-5 FT, 17 points
Game 2: 5-21 FG, 0-4 3pt, 3-4 FT, 13 points
Game 3: 4-13 FG, 0-5 3pt, 5-6 FT, 13 points
Game 4: 8-19 FG, 2-5 3pt, 2-4 FT, 20 points
Game 5: 4-15 FG, 1-5 3pt, 4-6 FT, 13 points
Game 6: 4-13 FG, 2-7 3pt, 1-2 FT, 11 points
For the series, Artest shot 31-104 from the field (.298) and 6-31 from behind the arc (.194) while averaging 14.5 ppg.
That was 2004 on the Pacers.
I think he would not feel the need to carry the 2008 Spurs.
He breaks plays when he feels like it. Does that sound like a Spur to you? He apparently feels that he has to take over a game and starts jacking up ill advised shots. There's a reason someone like him with the talent he has is not leading to any great offers from around the league. Dude is unreliable on the court. Then you have all the off court bull . This isn't a pickup game. This is a run at a NBA le and million$ are on the line.
I certainly can see the point of acquiring Artest if doing so means that you don't have to give up any rotation players. I still think that this team is in more desperate need of a big who can rebound, but if a deal sending out Elson necessitates another effort to find a big guy who fits that description, it would seem that the Spurs will have upgraded the roster (being optimistic about Artest's behavior) and addressed a specific need as well, which would be fantastic.
Man, you are shook.
You really think Artest would feel the need to chuck up shots or break plays on a team that plays worth a d@mn like the Spurs?
"Shook"? You're the one ejaculating over the prospect of adding a mental patient to the roster because of fear due to a couple other teams making some trades. This isn't the WWF.
Yes, he's that unstable.
You really think Artest would feel the need to chuck up shots or break plays on a team that plays worth a d@mn like the Spurs?
Arguably, the trend followed him to Sacramento in 2006 against the Spurs. He was pretty solid from the field in the Kings' 2 wins in that series, but was pretty abysmal in 3 losses in which he played -- and the possibility of another suspension for an unnecessarily chippy play at a key moment is another issue to be considered -- shooting .321 from the field in those games (17-53) and .333 from distance while jacking up an average of 6 threes in those games (6, 8, and 4).
He's not a particularly efficient scorer and, as Holt's Cat noted, has shown a disinterest in actually running offense at times.
Artest was also a pretty miserable rebounder in that 2006 series against the Spurs. He had 12 boards in Game 3, but had 2, 4, 4, and 3 in the other games in which he played.
Somehow Artest has been transformed into a legit NBA big.
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