View Poll Results: Was the Kidd trade Good for the Mavs ?

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  1. #326
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    Not to mention the utter stupidity of the fact that Harris needs the ball to be effective. Just like Kidd.

    So we have two guys who can only make plays if they're controlling the ball, and we're going to play them at the same time. again, genius
    Harris played shooting guard in college. He is equally capable of playing both positions. He is like Manu Ginobili in that since. His scoring average would raise a ton with Kidd.

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    Yeah why I am arguing with someone that is best known for his smack talk and has little knowledge of basketball. I'm just wasting my time if he doesn't get it by now.
    well the fact is, Josh Howard is NOT a good shooter. Terry is, so Terry is a better fit for this team. and the way that Harris needs the ball so much to be effective, may or may not have been a problem, as Kidd should be the one running the offense. as long as Harris could stay in control, and if Howard was a better shooter, then it wouldn't be a bad experiment at all. but for this system, Terry fits better, as he is a fantastic catch and shooter.

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    His mid-range jumper is awful
    Which is why the whole "play Harris/Kidd in the backcourt" is such a stupid concept. Terry is effective because he can find a spot on the floor without the ball, and catch-n-shoot there. Kidd can do no such thing and neither can Harris (unless it's a wide open 3 for both of them).

    They both need to be running the show to be effective, neither can run to a "spot" on the floor without the ball for a catch-n-shoot, and now they can't drive since the paint is going to be completely crowded.

    again, the concept is so stupid that even Avery would be smart enough to dismiss it.

  4. #329
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    Harris shot 47% averaging 35 mpg and averaged 12.7 ppg. Parker averaged 20.1 ppg on 42.2% which is way below average for him percentage wise.

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    Which is why the whole "play Harris/Kidd in the backcourt" is such a stupid concept. Terry is effective because he can find a spot on the floor without the ball, and catch-n-shoot there. Kidd can do no such thing and neither can Harris (unless it's a wide open 3 for both of them).

    They both need to be running the show to be effective, neither can run to a "spot" on the floor without the ball for a catch-n-shoot, and now they can't drive since the paint is going to be completely crowded.

    again, the concept is so stupid that even Avery would be smart enough to dismiss it.
    I agree. It would only work if we had another shooting option at SF. but since we don't, it is not a good idea.

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    well the fact is, Josh Howard is NOT a good shooter. Terry is, so Terry is a better fit for this team. and the way that Harris needs the ball so much to be effective, may or may not have been a problem, as Kidd should be the one running the offense. as long as Harris could stay in control, and if Howard was a better shooter, then it wouldn't be a bad experiment at all. but for this system, Terry fits better, as he is a fantastic catch and shooter.
    We got a power forward that plays like a shooting guard (no offense) so I think the paint won't be crowded. Btw Kidd and Harris can both shoot outside and Harris can penetrate as well.

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    So how does it work when neither player is effective without the ball in their hands? I'd love to hear how that's gonna work.

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    We got a power forward that plays like a shooting guard (no offense) so I think the paint won't be crowded.
    So you're gonna reduce Dirk to a spot-up shooter role? More genius

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    They took turns. They took pressure off each other. Both had their moments of being shooting guard and point guard. You are too fixed about positions. Why can't Harris play shooting guard on offense and have Kidd guard shooting guards on the other side of the court?
    No playmakers. Zone the team and you expose the mavericks. Check our fast break points before and after harris. id take 6/16/10 from kidd any day. he adds too many intangibles that can't be quantified. How many times have we watched a recent broadcast and watch Brad davis point out all the extremely smart basketball plays Kidd makes every single game. The guy simply knows how to win games. You surround him with a solid team and you get a serious contender. I guarantee you the league will be fearing the mavs come the second round if they don't realize it by now.

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    So how does it work when neither player is effective without the ball in their hands? I'd love to hear how that's gonna work.
    Wrong. Especially about Harris. He can slash on the weak side for easy baskets and if you totally leave Kidd he is great with catch and shoot. How many times do I have to explain this?

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    We got a power forward that plays like a shooting guard (no offense) so I think the paint won't be crowded. Btw Kidd and Harris can both shoot outside and Harris can penetrate as well.
    New Jersey was never going to take back our garbage for Kidd. Keeping Harris and acquiring Kidd was NOT AN OPTION.

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    No playmakers. Zone the team and you expose the mavericks. Check our fast break points before and after harris. id take 6/16/10 from kidd any day. he adds too many intangibles that can't be quantified. How many times have we watched a recent broadcast and watch Brad davis point out all the extremely smart basketball plays Kidd makes every single game. The guy simply knows how to win games. You surround him with a solid team and you get a serious contender. I guarantee you the league will be fearing the mavs come the second round if they don't realize it by now.
    This team would be unstoppable on fastbreaks. We've had worse shooting guards for shooting purposes in the past. Stackhouse and Daniels are hardly threats for that. Harris shoots better than both of them. Harris and Kidd are shooting career highs from outside and Harris can slash. Zone would not work.

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    We got a power forward that plays like a shooting guard (no offense) so I think the paint won't be crowded. Btw Kidd and Harris can both shoot outside and Harris can penetrate as well.
    thats one guy. but no one elses shot will be respected. you gotta have AT LEAST 2 people who have a respectable shot, or a few guys that are capable of hitting the majority of their wide open jumpers. otherwise its not going to be easy getting inside whatsoever.

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    Wrong. Especially about Harris. He can slash on the weak side for easy baskets and if you totally leave Kidd he is great with catch and shoot. How many times do I have to explain this?
    So you're telling me you put the ball in Harris' hands and leave Kidd as a spot-up shooter? so Harris, who has trouble completing routine passes as it is, now is expected to drive to the basket and then dish all the way out to the 3 point line, and then we have to pray that Kidd is wide open or else he won't make the shot.

    And Harris has never been able to create anything without the ball in his hands, besides spotting up for a 3.

    So we have 2 guys who can either drive or shoot a wide open 3, can't hit anything from the midrange, we're going to leave Dirk out on the perimeter thereby eliminating his ability to create in the high post and also throw away a valuable offensive rebounder, leave Josh Howard to sit around with his thumb up his ass, and now Dampier has to deal with 3 guys crowding the paint. Bravo!

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    thats one guy. but no one elses shot will be respected. you gotta have AT LEAST 2 people who have a respectable shot, or a few guys that are capable of hitting the majority of their wide open jumpers. otherwise its not going to be easy getting inside whatsoever.
    Howard and Dirk are your mid range guys and Harris and Kidd are your 3 point guys/slashers.

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    This team would be unstoppable on fastbreaks. We've had worse shooting guards for shooting purposes in the past. Stackhouse and Daniels are hardly threats for that. Harris shoots better than both of them. Harris and Kidd are shooting career highs from outside and Harris can slash. Zone would not work.
    Um... Stack is definitely a better shooter than Harris. and Daniels had a beautiful mid-range jumper.

    their fastbreaks would be fantastic, I agree. but they would have serious issues in the halfcourt, especially against a team like San Antonio.

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    Howard and Dirk are your mid range guys and Harris and Kidd are your 3 point guys/slashers.
    Howard is way too streaky of a shooter, and Harris is not a 3 point shooter dude. I'm talking we need guys you can rely on. You cannot rely on them for shooting. the only reliable shooters on this team are Dirk and Terry. everyone else is streaky. if they get hot, they hit everything, but when they are cold, they are nearly useless and will not snap out of it.

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    their fastbreaks would be fantastic, I agree.
    When was the last time fast break basketball won a championship?

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    Um... Stack is definitely a better shooter than Harris. and Daniels had a beautiful mid-range jumper.

    their fastbreaks would be fantastic, I agree. but they would have serious issues in the halfcourt, especially against a team like San Antonio.
    Harris always shoots better than what Stack did. Especially this year. What people don't seem to understand is how poor of a shooter Stack is. Teams should go zone when he is in the game instead of Terry. Aw yeah no one can hit outside if Harris is in the game.

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    The only way to make the Kidd Trade work is if you get a real coach and then somehow convince Orlando to give you Howard. Otherwise...well the rest is history.
    You Fail...

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    Harris always shoots better than what Stack did.
    Yeah Harris shot great against the Warriors. Stackhouse didn't do anything except single-handedly keep us in Game 6 for the entire first half.

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    When was the last time fast break basketball won a championship?
    When was the last time a fastbreak team actually cared about defense? Harris and Kidd would take away our deficiencies on defense that Terry gave us.

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    Yeah Harris shot great against the Warriors. Stackhouse didn't do anything except single-handedly keep us in Game 6 for the entire first half.
    I was talking about overall. I could go back to one game as well and prove that Stackhouse is better than Dirk. Sorry but I meant through a longer period of time.

  24. #349
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    When was the last time a fastbreak team actually cared about defense?
    It has nothing to do with that. In the playoffs, the elite teams are going to focus & lock down on their transition defense. In tight games in the 4th quarter, games slow to a crawl. The fast break is virtually eliminated. It has nothing to do with defense.

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    When was the last time fast break basketball won a championship?
    there is nothing wrong with fast-breaking. its just that you also have to be capable of scoring in a half-court set as well. for instance the Bulls. heavy duty fast-breaking team, but were capable of scoring in the half-court. the problem is, people try to win by ONLY fastbreaking, and that is where the problem lies. but playing ONLY halfcourt doesnt help either. despite being mainly a half-court team, the Spurs are more than capable of running fast breaks to get easy scores. the key is really balance, and it has to fit the squad you have as well.

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