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nah they just got new ownership. They won't pay repeater tax. It just depends on who they'll let go. I guess trading Holiday makes the most sense, given his age.
It has to happen, but if they win this year, they run same guys next year. If they loose, and loose badly, they will try to reshape the roster.
And I would love to get Derrick White back to Spurs, but his deal is just too good to let him go.
nah they just got new ownership. They won't pay repeater tax. It just depends on who they'll let go. I guess trading Holiday makes the most sense, given his age.
It will be very interesting to see how Boston navigate the horrendous cap situation in the summer. I imagine a lot of teams will be looking for a possible blueprint.
They have close to a $240 mln tax bill for next season as is, and not with a full roster even. Salaries and tax project to be more than their total revenue. This is completely unsustainable and no owner would pay it.
So they're forced to make painful moves even if they ring. One problem is that so few teams actually have cap space, which is why their moves will be so intriguing. They have to shed at least 15-20 mln to get under the 2nd apron. One good thing in the new CBA is that MLE and BAE can be used to absorb contracts, not just for the free agents.
Zion Williamson represents about $40M in instant tax relief should they wish to go that route. Messing around with trade machines, it appears that Zion plus Olynik for Brown works. Waive Zion before he even reports.
No, it's not possible, because the new CBA closed the loophole with trading for unguaranteed contracts. If Zion is traded then the value required for the trade to go through would have to be guaranteed.
Super weird contract though, this is what spotrac says:
- 2025-26: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed 7/15/25
- 20% of 2025-26 salary becomes guaranteed if passes all six of his weigh-in checkpoints during the 2024-25 season
- 40% of 2025-26 salary becomes guaranteed if plays >= 41 games during 2024-25 season, additional 20% if plays >= 51 games, remaining 20% if plays >= 61 games
For all we know 20% of his contract may already be guaranteed. He only played 30 games, so no other triggers.
Is there still a waive and stretch provision in place? Is that in play for Boston if they can't find a team with cap space?
Dammit, I keep forgetting about that loophole being closed.
Nope, they’re ed. Although they’ll surely find some creative ways to improve things and that’s going to be so interesting for us armchair GMs.
Edit: there is a waive and stretch provision but there isn’t an amnesty provision.
I just spent half an hours running simulations on Boston, Phoenix, Cleveland, and Minnesota on an AI looking for ways to get under the 2nd apron(although it's doable). It's difficult for all 4 to a degree, but my goodness Phoenix and Boston are totally screwed. Surely, no owner will pay that and be that limited going forward with trades/picks? I guess I didn't understand the magnitude of all of this.
While the talk of late has been hypotheticals around trading for Giannis, there's going to significantly more players available that might come cheaper (asset wise) because their team is under so much pressure. It's crazy...
I don't know much about the salary cap, but from what you guys are saying, this is going to be really interesting seeing what happens with teams going forward. It's making things a little more exciting, possibly giving other teams a chance to get good players and make themselves into contenders that otherwise wouldn't have been. I really do like having more parity in the league. I think if I team wants to stay a contender, players are going to have to take pay cuts for it to happen. This is where having a friendship crew could be a good thing (The Spurs also have a friendship crew going, but unfortunately, it doesn't have the talent of OKC's one).
I'm thinking if OKC is able to win the Championship, they may be a team that has players that would be willing to do it (take slightly less than the max) to keep their core together. I don't know, when you're making over 200M per season, do you really need that supermax or that extra 50M? If it were me, I'd only do it if I liked my teammates and they were hard workers and unselfish, I'd do it. Sort of like TP, he said he could have left to get a little more money, but it wasn't worth it to him as he obviously liked playing with TD and Manu and they were both very unselfish players.
This is where the rubber meets the road. I think there will be less desirable franchises that will be able to MAX guys out who won’t be able to get that from their overextended drafting team. Brooklyn could make a killing if they offload their last few veteran contracts.I don't know much about the salary cap, but from what you guys are saying, this is going to be really interesting seeing what happens with teams going forward. It's making things a little more exciting, possibly giving other teams a chance to get good players and make themselves into contenders that otherwise wouldn't have been. I really do like having more parity in the league. I think if I team wants to stay a contender, players are going to have to take pay cuts for it to happen. This is where having a friendship crew could be a good thing (The Spurs also have a friendship crew going, but unfortunately, it doesn't have the talent of OKC's one
I'm thinking if OKC is able to win the Championship, they may be a team that has players that would be willing to do it (take slightly less than the max) to keep their core together. I don't know, when you're making over 200M per season, do you really need that supermax or that extra 50M? If it were me, I'd only do it if I liked my teammates and they were hard workers and unselfish, I'd do it. Sort of like TP, he said he could have left to get a little more money, but it wasn't worth it to him as he obviously liked playing with TD and Manu and they were both very unselfish players.
There’s a reason that the NBA did this. They see the parity up and down model of the NFL just killing it with ratings and fan interest.
I wasn't sure about the NFL's rating as I kind of stopped watching it years ago. I thought it might be high with different teams able to win it every other year or two (apart from KC). I used to be a St. Louis Rams fan, but I was never going to follow them when they moved back to LA. I became a fan the year they moved to St. Louis as I was an Isaac Bruce fan, Marshall Faulk (I liked him with the Colts to as I used to follow them because of his play), and then Kurt Warner fan the year he started when Trent Green went out with his injury (I became a fan of his the year before they won it). I never liked Tom Brady as his first Superbowl win came at the expense of the Rams, and I don't feel he did anything that run to give him MVP. If anything, their kicker Adam Vinatieri made all the clutch kicks in their 3 miracle wins that playoff run.
I then became a Seahawks fan, but that went down the ter after whoever's call it was to throw the football in the SB at the 1 yard line (Pete Carroll or Russell Wilson being selfish?). I loved Seattle's defense and I liked Russell Wilson his rookie year and second year, but then that same season they lost the Superbowl on that terrible play calling, he started losing me in the game/s before the Superbowl where he was getting a bit delusional IMO. If it wasn't for Marshawn Lynch going beast mode in the game before saving Russell Wilson's ass, they wouldn't have even made the Superbowl, but Wilson was going on about being tested. Anyway, that one darn play in the SB killed it for me and I slowly stopped watching NFL after that.
That is why Minny unload Kat it made pure sense from the 2nd apron issues Randle contract is shorter and expires 2026 I know a lot of people freaked out on that trade but it made sense to me because the financial side and long term it was going to hinder building around Anthony Edwards by keeping Kat. yes they had the playoff success last year but long term it made more sense to unload the boat anchor and build around Edwards long term
They'll be much more of that this summer..
Meanwhile they’re STILL having playoff success this year. Good chance at another Western Conference finals berth.
There’ll be much more of that going forward until teams stop handing out 30% of cap contracts like candy.
This offseason has the potential for a lot of fun. Hopefully Brian Wright can pick up some nice additions on the fringes like he has in the past, since I highly doubt he’ll be looking to participate in any big acquisitions.
I'm start to lean toward us making a big acquisition with teams trying to get under the 2nd apron.
The Fox trade proved that the Spurs are willing to make a significant move if the price is right. Though it hurt their ability to make another big move because now the Spurs only have one excess first going forward, ATL25. They can go down to -4 without violating the Stepien rule by trading SA25/ATL25/ATL27/SA29/SA31 but I think going that far, even for an MVP candidate like Giannis, would be severe asset mismanagement.
None of the rumored big pieces on the move is a long term solution. If you did a huge deal, Wemby would be faced with the same mid/late career funk plaguing Jokic and Freak.
I’m pulling for GS to punk HOU so they go into a panic buying spree. Maybe we could snag Smith Jr. as a 3rd team.
I think there is an outside shot that we make a "big" acquisition by Spurs standards (Naz Reid, Santi Aldama, whatever player we could even get with the #14 pick would all fit this description), but I think there is close to zero chance we make a big acquisition by League standards (Giannis, KD, Brown, Lauri, etc).
I just don't think the team that went with Mitch (in part) for continuity is going to make a big time splash. My guess is that the Fox acquisition already made them a little squirmy with operating outside of their comfort zone and they likely aren't confident in making more big gambles. It's kind of like the dude who normally plays at the $10 blackjack table and makes a one time $100 bet and wins, but immediately goes back to stakes he is more comfortable with.
I think we have some more Harrison Barnes level transactions ahead of us, and to be completely transparent I'm not opposed to this at all. Wemby/Fox is already a really good big 2. I'm hopeful Castle will make a big leap over the summer, because he seems to have that killer mentality to want to continue to grow. If we can simply replace the Power of Friendship with solid, capable vets (like HB), I think we'll see a big jump and I think this will also considerably help Mitch. Having a more professional, veteran team could be a huge benefit to him rather than having to manage immature personalities (the Power of Friendship plus two rookies)
I'm thinking we explore getting in on a Houston deal too...with Smith being our target.
I'm thinking we explore getting in on a Houston deal too...with Smith being our target.
You're probably right re: Naz type deal or even working to get an asset from a 3 team deal where another team is acquiring a Star. That said, having multiple Stars on the market (Giannis, Brown, KD, and maybe even Booker) should bring the price down on 1 or two of them and it could bring it down to the point that we can't pass it up. I'm not exactly predicting it, but I do think we'll be in the mix.
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