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    There's obviously progress, but a lot of non-shooters look great in practice.
    Until he starts showing progress in games, I'm not getting hyped over it.

    The first thing he needs to do is not hesitate when left wide open.
    If he hesitates, that's game over already.
    100%. He's gotta let it fly with confidence. If not, it's pretty much over. Gotta trust the hard work he's put in.

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    There's obviously progress, but a lot of non-shooters look great in practice.
    Until he starts showing progress in games, I'm not getting hyped over it.

    The first thing he needs to do is not hesitate when left wide open.
    If he hesitates, that's game over already.
    yeah but if you would've seen him practice...this is worldly progress

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    There's obviously progress, but a lot of non-shooters look great in practice.
    Until he starts showing progress in games, I'm not getting hyped over it.

    The first thing he needs to do is not hesitate when left wide open.
    If he hesitates, that's game over already.
    I remember an interview with TP where he said Aaron Baynes was money from mid range in practice but it never translated to real games. Many such cases.

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    I remember an interview with TP where he said Aaron Baynes was money from mid range in practice but it never translated to real games. Many such cases.
    Baynes shot pretty well with BOS though at .351 from 3pt. During the Big 3, players were more like “specialist,” doing what they do best. They didn’t wear many hats and avoided many turnovers as a result. Such was the case with Baynes. His role was the defend the post and rebound the ball. With the Spurs bringing more talent, they should be able to get back to that. We don’t have to see Sochan playing the PG one night, then backup Center the following night, or Vassell having to “create” too much, that is if he takes the reduced role.

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    you can doubt him all you want, but his form is much better and he's clearly putting in the work. That's really all you can ask for.

    Young player with talent and a top end defender putting in work on his weaknesses and it upsets people here.

    Some people are just miserable. Their takes don't rely on anything outside of that.

    Like you said, he's doing literally all you can ask for.

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    There's obviously progress, but a lot of non-shooters look great in practice.
    Until he starts showing progress in games, I'm not getting hyped over it.

    The first thing he needs to do is not hesitate when left wide open.
    If he hesitates, that's game over already.
    I’m not sure how much is lack of confidence and how much is coaching instructions. Pop used to tell Parker to cut down on the threes and work on the other parts of his game. Granted that was 20 years ago but I’m guessing the coaches basically told him to not shoot.

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    I think it was coaching staff and Jeremy together agreeing that it doesn't make sense to to chuck 3s when his form is deconstructed and with a terrible hitch last season, but he has to start shooting open 3s next year. Shooting and hitting.

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    Black Steph Curry, tbh.

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    It seriously blows my mind that NBA players can't hit wide open shots. Just makes me sick.

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    He’s not doing that twisty leg thing when he lands in this video.

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    he was actually shooting contest jumpers yesterday. I'm just too lazy to download IG stories and post them.

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    Do we feel if Sochan can develop a three point shot that he could be more of a wing at the 3 spot? His athleticism and defense definitely would allow him to play there.

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    Do we feel if Sochan can develop a three point shot that he could be more of a wing at the 3 spot? His athleticism and defense definitely would allow him to play there.
    If he's playing beside KD, absolutely.

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    He'd be perfect next to KD if he can indeed knock down 3s. Mobile enough to play the 3, good defender and good rebounder. The only thing is we would technically need another 40% shooter at the other forward spot, because our guards lack shooting.

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    He'd be perfect next to KD if he can indeed knock down 3s. Mobile enough to play the 3, good defender and good rebounder. The only thing is we would technically need another 40% shooter at the other forward spot, because our guards lack shooting.
    That’s what KD is for! If we’re assuming Sochan/KD/Wemby is the front court then I think that’s plenty of shooting (operating under the very optimistic idea that Sochan is a decent shooter). It’s not like Fox is Rondo or anything. Harper isn’t some total non-shooter either as he had very respectable catch and shoot numbers in college.

    If Sochan can be a decent shooter and we add KD I think we’re in a pretty damn good spot tbh. But obviously would still be nice to add another 3&D type guy.

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    It's not just purely about 3P% for Sochan, his willingness/eagerness to shoot them is even more important. Historically, when the ball swings to him there is always that awkward moment of hesitation where he realizes he is supposed to shoot it and the defense realizes he doesn't want to shoot it and thus doesn't even need to close out. Just an absolute play/momentum killer. He needs to get excited for the open look and send it, if it clanks then oh well that's Mitch's problem.

    If he can't get to that point then he needs to never try to space out on the 3 point line and just needs to stick to cutting and dunker spot stuff.

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    That’s what KD is for! If we’re assuming Sochan/KD/Wemby is the front court then I think that’s plenty of shooting (operating under the very optimistic idea that Sochan is a decent shooter). It’s not like Fox is Rondo or anything. Harper isn’t some total non-shooter either as he had very respectable catch and shoot numbers in college.

    If Sochan can be a decent shooter and we add KD I think we’re in a pretty damn good spot tbh. But obviously would still be nice to add another 3&D type guy.
    yeah, but Fox is not a sniper and with Harper it has to be seen at what percentage he can hit those. Not to forget Castle ain't a great shooter either. So it makes sense to have a forward pairing that can knock down high percentages plus Wemby at the 5. That would then open up the lanes for our guards. Other than that, Sochan would be perfect next to KD.

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    We need teams to put their centers on Wemby; he gets by them easier, he gets open looks easier. Teams won't put their centers on a guard due to blow by potential, but they will absolutely put them on Sochan/non-shooting 3s and 4s so they can shift the Dillon Brooks/PJ Washingtons of the world onto Wemby to make his life in his preferred spots.

    I expect Wemby will get better and stronger to help neutralize the tactic of playing stout wing defenders on him, but until he does it will be what teams want to do. Its a big part of the reason we quickly abandoned the Wemby @ the 4 trial in November of his rookie season. Pairing Wemby with another big just invites other teams to put the smaller but sturdier and quicker defensive players on him.

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    We need teams to put their centers on Wemby; he gets by them easier, he gets open looks easier. Teams won't put their centers on a guard due to blow by potential, but they will absolutely put them on Sochan/non-shooting 3s and 4s so they can shift the Dillon Brooks/PJ Washingtons of the world onto Wemby to make his life in his preferred spots.

    I expect Wemby will get better and stronger to help neutralize the tactic of playing stout wing defenders on him, but until he does it will be what teams want to do. Its a big part of the reason we quickly abandoned the Wemby @ the 4 trial in November of his rookie season. Pairing Wemby with another big just invites other teams to put the smaller but sturdier and quicker defensive players on him.
    This is why I'm a bit surprised by the reports that Sochan is supposedly the sticking poitn for a KD trade.

    KD forces centers onto Wemby, Sochan playing next to Wemby feeds into exactly what the defense wants to do (which you described).

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    yeah, but Fox is not a sniper and with Harper it has to be seen at what percentage he can hit those. Not to forget Castle ain't a great shooter either. So it makes sense to have a forward pairing that can knock down high percentages plus Wemby at the 5. That would then open up the lanes for our guards. Other than that, Sochan would be perfect next to KD.
    What the team has two starting forwards who both shoot 40% from 3?

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    This is why I'm a bit surprised by the reports that Sochan is supposedly the sticking poitn for a KD trade.

    KD forces centers onto Wemby, Sochan playing next to Wemby feeds into exactly what the defense wants to do (which you described).
    Yea, sending Sochan in the trade solves two problems: don't have to deal with his extension which could be contentious unless the Spurs are just going to roll over and overpay (a distinct possibility) and we wouldn't have to deal with his clunky fit with Castle mainly and to a lesser extent Wemby. I am kind of surprised Sochan is the supposed sticking point...hopefully the Spurs "give in" last minute to push a deal through or something but who knows.

    Not that I even want Durant that badly, just moving off Vassell especially and Sochan as well needs to happen from a team building standpoint. Durant would be a nice to have for a couple years, though.

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    What the team has two starting forwards who both shoot 40% from 3?
    what the team has 2 questionable shooters in their starting backcourt?

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    Yea, sending Sochan in the trade solves two problems: don't have to deal with his extension which could be contentious unless the Spurs are just going to roll over and overpay (a distinct possibility) and we wouldn't have to deal with his clunky fit with Castle mainly and to a lesser extent Wemby. I am kind of surprised Sochan is the supposed sticking point...hopefully the Spurs "give in" last minute to push a deal through or something but who knows.

    Not that I even want Durant that badly, just moving off Vassell especially and Sochan as well needs to happen from a team building standpoint. Durant would be a nice to have for a couple years, though.
    This is pretty much exactly how I feel. I don't even hate Sochan that much... I just don't want to overpay on the hope his shot comes around.

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    Yea, sending Sochan in the trade solves two problems: don't have to deal with his extension which could be contentious unless the Spurs are just going to roll over and overpay (a distinct possibility) and we wouldn't have to deal with his clunky fit with Castle mainly and to a lesser extent Wemby. I am kind of surprised Sochan is the supposed sticking point...hopefully the Spurs "give in" last minute to push a deal through or something but who knows.

    Not that I even want Durant that badly, just moving off Vassell especially and Sochan as well needs to happen from a team building standpoint. Durant would be a nice to have for a couple years, though.
    Also his trolling bull is already old. Learn to play good and then you can spend half the game trying to get under a certain guys skin.

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