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    Imagine thinking you cooked with that response.

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    lol "Garnett>Duncan"
    Duncan would be just another quality big that doesn't belong in this era. Just like Ewing would be a situational role player.

    KG would be a taller more athletic version of Butler with a better range. He'd be a problem as a SF. Giannis with more intensity and versatility. His favorite shot was his one foot in/one out of the 3pt line. Imagine running 4 down and trying to slow the game down trading slow 2's for fast 3's every possession.

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    Duncan would be just another quality big that doesn't belong in this era. Just like Ewing would be a situational role player.

    KG would be a taller more athletic version of Butler with a better range. He'd be a problem as a SF. Giannis with more intensity and versatility. His favorite shot was his one foot in/one out of the 3pt line. Imagine running 4 down and trying to slow the game down trading slow 2's for fast 3's every possession.
    Don't get me wrong, Garnett was amazing for skill and longevity but Timmy was better in win shares later in his career and oh...

    ...how many rings? One more MVP too.

    But agree 100%, Kevin Garnett was a proper monster and a very versatile player

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    The players played in the time that they played, not some fictional time in your head

    https://www.sports-reference.com/sta...-kevin-garnett

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    (Also, I'm not sure there's any player who played better than Tim Duncan after he couldn't jump very well anymore)

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    (Basketball savvy overcame physical limitation by a lot)

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    Imagine thinking you cooked with that response.
    Well yeah. Why should anyone listen to random anecdotes from you and believe any numbers you post?

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    I'm saying it's all going back into the land prices. Inflation is the killer here. Grain prices aren't historically bad. Most of the welfare money ag received this past year and still will next year is the Biden doing, before tariffs took place. The $12b is the first Trump 2.0 era doing.
    OK, how much went out during the Biden era each year and how much is going out this year in regular subsidies above the $12b special bailout for people like you?

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    Jim Beam shutting down bourbon production at Kentucky distillery for a year as Trump’s trade wars hit sales

    Jim Beam, one of the largest makers of American whiskey globally, is shutting down bourbon production at one of its Kentucky distilleries for a year.

    The move comes amid President Donald Trump’s trade war with Canada, which has contributed to a significant decline in U.S. liquor sales after the country ushered in a boycott of American booze, and as more young adults are cutting back on drinking.

    Jim Beam, owned by Suntory Global Spirits, is one of Kentucky’s biggest bourbon producers.

    The Bluegrass state’s $9 billion whiskey bourbon industry has been struggling to manage its abundant supply of liquor against the drop in demand.

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    There were nearly 1,500 employees at the James B. Beam Distilling Co. in Kentucky last year, according to the newspaper. The company said it was assessing “how best to utilize our workforce during this transition” in a statement to the outlet, and added it was in discussions with the union.

    In March, following sweeping tariffs imposed by Trump, many Canadians decided to boycott American liquor in protest.

    Industry group Distilled Spirits Council of the United States said that U.S. spirits exports plummeted 85 percent, falling below $10 million in the second quarter of 2025, which CEO Chris Swonger blamed on “persistent trade tensions.”

    Swonger warned the figures signaled “a shift away from our great American spirits brands” and urged Trump “to help facilitate a lasting return to tariff-free trade with our longstanding trading partners.”

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    China reduces US Treasury holdings to lowest level since 2008

    China cut its US Treasury holdings in October to their lowest level in 17 years, the South China Morning Post reported Friday.

    The nation's stockpile dropped to $688.7 billion in October from $700.5 billion in September, according to US Treasury Department data released on Thursday.

    According to Chinese financial data company Wind, October's value was the lowest since November 2008 and represented a more than 47% decline from the roughly $1.32 trillion peak in November 2013.

    China continued the decline in its US Treasury holdings that began in US President Donald Trump's first term, falling to third place among foreign Treasury holdings in March, behind Japan and the UK.

    This year, the tendency has persisted amid ongoing concerns about the sustainability of US debt, especially in light of this summer's One Big Beautiful Bill and concerns about the independence of the Fed as the White House pushes for lower interest rates.
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    Q3 GDP estimate beat -- this is good news

    Prices also went up



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    (also rising unemployment and low consumer confidence)

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    (what's it called when prices and unemployment rise at the same time?)

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    4.3% is a pretty good real GDP

    maybe if SCOTUS scotches the tariffs we can rebound economically, Trump inherited a strong US economy

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    Trump's 'Liberation Day' Tariffs Worked — They Liberated Americans From Their Jobs

    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s vaunted “Liberation Day” tariffs have worked — if liberating Americans from their jobs was the actual goal.

    The nation’s manufacturing sector, the very one Trump purportedly wanted to help with his import taxes, has instead been losing jobs every single month since he announced them in April. In all, there are now 67,000 fewer manufacturing jobs than when he imposed tariffs on most imports.

    That result is exactly the opposite of what Trump promised and predicted when he announced them on April 2.

    “We created 10,000, already in a few weeks, new manufacturing jobs and that took place in one month, numbers that they haven’t seen in a long time,” Trump said, lying, to cheering supporters in what was still the Rose Garden, prior to his having paved it over. “Jobs and factories will come roaring back into our country and you see it happening already.”

    His overall jobs numbers are just as grim, according to statistics compiled by his own Department of Labor, particularly compared to predecessor Joe Biden’s robust record on that front. Over four years, Biden’s economy added more than 4 million jobs per year, or 336,225 per month.

    “It’s not just tariffs,” said University of Michigan economist Justin Wolfers. “It’s also uncertainty, chaos, incompetence, and a radical and idiosyncratic approach to economic policy.”

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    Tariffs have increased the cost of US manufacturing by 1-2%, according to this study

    Given the high pass-through to import prices and the importance of imported inputsin U.S. manufacturing, much of the incidence of the tariffs falls on U.S. producers. Wecombine input-output data with our trade and pass-through analysis to calculate whatwe call a “production tariff” rate, a hypothetical tax rate on production costs thatmight have an equivalent impact on U.S. manufacturing as the import tariffs. Forsome sectors that rely heavily on imported inputs from affected exporters, the increase in production tariffs commonly exceeds 2 percentage points. For the manufacturingsector as a whole, we calculate that production tariffs have increased by more than 1percentage point in 2025.
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    corporate bankruptcies markedly up in 2025

    Corporate bankruptcies soared to a 15-year high in 2025 as companies struggled to cope with President Donald Trump’s trade wars, among other factors, according to a new report.


    No fewer than 717 companies filed for Chapter 7 or Chapter 11 bankruptcy between January and November, according to S&P data reviewed by The Washington Post. This marks a 14 percent increase from the same period in 2024 and the highest rate since 2010, when the country was recovering from the Great Recession.


    Firms that went bust pointed to inflation, interest rates and Trump’s trade policies — which have hampered supply chains and increased costs — as drivers of their financial troubles.



    Business experts and economists told the Post that the Republican president’s broad tariffs have strained import-dependent companies. While inflation recently came in lower than expected — it was up 2.7 percent year-over-year in November — experts said many firms continue to shoulder added expenses to avoid raising prices for consumers.


    “These companies are acutely aware of the affordability crisis confronting the average American,” Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, a professor at Yale University’s school of management, told the outlet. “They are doing their best to offset the cost of tariffs and higher interest rates but can only do so much. Those with pricing power will pass on the costs over time … others will fold.”
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    The Unexpected Winner of Rising American Tariffs Is Mexico

    MEXICO CITY—When President Trump began raising tariffs earlier this year, government officials and economists feared Mexico’s export-led economy would take a devastating hit. Instead, Mexican exports to the U.S. have grown.

    Because Mexico’s ultimate tariff rate ended up lower than for most other countries, the disparity has helped Mexican exports fill some of the gap left by Chinese products subject to higher levies.

    Producers seeking a foothold in the U.S. have said that Mexico still has all the inherent advantages it had before tariffs—proximity to the U.S., a low-cost manufacturing industry and a frayed but intact free-trade agreement.

    Even with steep tariffs on autos, steel and aluminum bound for America, Mexican manufacturing exports to the U.S. rose almost 9% from January to November, compared with the first 11 months of 2024, according to Mexican government data. Auto-industry exports to the U.S. fell close to 6% during the period, but exports of other manufactured goods surged 17%.

    Trade in goods between the U.S. and Mexico is on track to reach a record of nearly $900 billion this year.

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    not replacing the income tax anytime soon



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    Exodus of U.S. clients pushes Korean battery makers to the brink

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    The latest termination originated from Freudenberg's decision to exit the battery business due to sluggish demand. Under the original plan, the U.S. firm planned to assemble battery modules produced by LG Energy Solution into complete battery packs and supply them to major North American commercial vehicle manufacturers, including those producing large buses and electric trucks.

    Earlier on Dec. 17, LG Energy Solution also disclosed the cancellation of a $6.5 billion deal with Ford Motor.

    The termination is widely attributed to the contraction of the North American EV market, triggered by the Donald Trump administration’s decision to roll back the $7,500 EV tax credit. With subsidies withdrawn, automakers have increasingly scaled back their commitment to EVs, dampening demand across the supply chain.

    Ford suspended production of the F-150 Lightning electric pickup and has recalibrated its strategy to prioritize higher-margin hybrid models and internal combustion engine vehicles.

    LG Energy on Wednesday also moved to shore up liquidity by selling buildings, equipment and other assets of its U.S. joint venture with Honda to the Japanese automaker's U.S. subsidiary for about 4.2 trillion won.

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    “With raw material prices fluctuating on a daily basis, manufacturers cannot keep facilities running continuously by building inventory in advance without any sight of a sale,” Lee added. “With LFP having already emerged as the industry standard, Korean companies must seriously ask themselves whether they can still secure meaningful compe iveness in a scenario in which the United States lowers tariffs for Chinese products.”

    The combined market share of Korea’s three major battery manufacturers in the European EV battery market stood at 35 percent between January and October this year, marking a 10 percentage point decline from the level recorded at the end of 2024, according to SNE Research.

    During the same period, Chinese brands claimed 64 percent.
    https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com...brink-/2487566

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    Trump for some reason wants the US technical base to remain in the 20th century, setting the whole country back and ceding the edge in energy transformation to China and others

    It isn't working

    https://www.canarymedia.com/articles...p-clean-energy

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    Donald Trump Changes His Mind on Tariffs Again

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    On Wednesday, Trump signed a presidential proclamation delaying the implementation of increased tariffs on specific imported goods for one year that were set to begin January 1, 2026.

    A fact sheet provided by the White House says: “Today, President Donald J. Trump signed a Proclamation invoking Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 (Act) to delay increases in tariffs for upholstered furniture, kitchen cabinets, and vanities for another year.”

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