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    Outside of the crossing of the Dnipro that RUS is failing to contain and Andiivka there is not much going on until it freezes hard. It seems strange to me that RUS propaganda is framing this as a war for freedom in the vein of their Great War defeating the Germans yet they are the ones griding down entire divisions in urban assaults.

    I am also saddened that a lot of the people being sent into the grinder are Mongol tribesmen from Eastern RUS. It is both ironic and reprehensible that Moscow is sending Mongols to try and once again depopulate the Ukrainian state.

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    Outside of the crossing of the Dnipro that RUS is failing to contain and Andiivka there is not much going on until it freezes hard. It seems strange to me that RUS propaganda is framing this as a war for freedom in the vein of their Great War defeating the Germans yet they are the ones griding down entire divisions in urban assaults.

    I am also saddened that a lot of the people being sent into the grinder are Mongol tribesmen from Eastern RUS. It is both ironic and reprehensible that Moscow is sending Mongols to try and once again depopulate the Ukrainian state.
    some Russians are more disposable than others. It's a political calculation.

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    some Russians are more disposable than others. It's a political calculation.
    America disposed of 50k+ in Vietnam. We've nary room. Nary.

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    Outside of the crossing of the Dnipro that RUS is failing to contain and Andiivka there is not much going on until it freezes hard. It seems strange to me that RUS propaganda is framing this as a war for freedom in the vein of their Great War defeating the Germans yet they are the ones griding down entire divisions in urban assaults.

    I am also saddened that a lot of the people being sent into the grinder are Mongol tribesmen from Eastern RUS. It is both ironic and reprehensible that Moscow is sending Mongols to try and once again depopulate the Ukrainian state.
    Long story short it's West vs Russia now. So "War for Freedom" isn't a hard sell.

    IMO the big wild card here is Putin's health. Two ways. If this were 2000 Vlad then Russian invasion is likely more successful but also if he's gone I think many regular everyday Russians will be open to returning to peaceful everyday life. And one that includes traveling and enjoying Europe.



    The thing with Slavics and especially Russia is stubbornness & resilience is one of the main strengths. It's literally impossible to wipe out the Russian people. And their long term dedication to this War is now being rewarded as Ukrainians is losing financial support and angering allies.
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    "Sanctions from "

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    1 Russian Ruble equals 0.011 United States Dollar and dropped even more this year

    Russia to raise GDP by 3% in 2023
    President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that Russia's economic growth was set to exceed 3% this year, slightly better than previous official forecasts. Russia's economy shrank 2.1% in 2022, as the West imposed sweeping sanctions against Russia over conflict in Ukraine.


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    Long story short it's West vs Russia now. So "War for Freedom" isn't a hard sell.

    IMO the big wild card here is Putin's health. Two ways. If this were 2000 Vlad then Russian invasion is likely more successful but also if he's gone I think many regular everyday Russians will be open to returning to peaceful everyday life. And one that includes traveling and enjoying Europe.

    The thing with Slavics and especially Russia is stubbornness & resilience is one of the main strengths. It's literally impossible to wipe out the Russian people. And their long term dedication to this War is now being rewarded as Ukrainians is losing financial support and angering allies.
    It's also been historically their downfall, tbh...

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    It's also been historically their downfall, tbh...
    Yes. Stubbornness is clearly my negative spin on it. It's double edged sword quality. Every main culture has one too.

    For example one specific War with Poland - Russians moved their capital instead of accepting inevitable defeat. Abandoning Moscow in the process. Other/most Europeans would just take the L and regroup. Poland had no plans nor capability of controlling their neighbor. To our credit we didn't destroy anything in their capital and thus I think they paid us the same respect during the Cold War.

    Even today who has the resources to chase Russia around that vast land. Ofourse this is hypothetical War games because no Westerners are attempting to encroach on Russian land. Thus their "Great War" story will steadily run dry in the eyes of the Russian people.
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    Polaks don't like Russians but overall we have a healthy history & relationship with them. Russia could be better but also worse. I think historically they are kinda wasted potential.

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    Polaks don't like Russians but overall we have a healthy history & relationship with them. Russia could be better but also worse. I think historically they are kinda wasted potential.
    You know nothing about Poland, the polish people, their culture and history. Exactly which part of polish-russian relationship history do you regard as "healthy"?

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    You know nothing about Poland, the polish people, their culture and history. Exactly which part of polish-russian relationship history do you regard as "healthy"?
    We have been neighbors for almost 1,000 years. Up until recent history, Europeans were constantly at War. Hence why Europe conquered so much of the Globe, perfected War with all the practice.

    Remember it was Stalin that gave us back Western land from Deutschland. The Russians took Kaliningrad but fairly we kept Gdansk. During the Cold War they respected our Catholicism.

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    You know nothing about Poland, the polish people, their culture and history. Exactly which part of polish-russian relationship history do you regard as "healthy"?
    He told me 1750s.

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    MAGAs are saying that the sanctions are not working

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    some Russians are more disposable than others. It's a political calculation.
    No doubt. It is just the historical irony that gets me.

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    Sanctions bite: Russian oil prices plunge below threshold

    The price of the main Russian export grade of oil, Urals, has returned to the sanctioned level set by G7 countries at $60 per barrel, reports Reuters.

    The prices of the Russian Urals oil today, November 17, have fallen below the Western maximum threshold price of $60 per barrel. This occurred against the backdrop of new U.S. sanctions against shipowners and a decrease in global oil prices.

    According to reports, the U.S. Treasury Department announced yesterday that it had imposed sanctions on three companies based in the United Arab Emirates and three vessels owned by them, alleging their involvement in exporting Russian crude oil at prices above $60.

    Overall, the estimated price of Urals on a Free on Board (FOB) basis for delivery from the Baltic to India on November 17 has dropped to $58-59 per barrel.

    [URL="https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/sanctions-bite-russian-oil-prices-plunge-1700257888.html"]https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/sanctions...-prices-plunge[/URL]

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    I want to continue to provide aid to Ukraine. You do not except at the same time you want to seem as if that is not the case.

    You remind me of a scientologist.
    You remind me of a child throwing a temper tantrum.

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    You remind me of a child throwing a temper tantrum.
    You try and say you want to continue aid to Ukraine. At the same time, you make every argument against aid to Ukraine and do nothing but hold water for RUS.

    That type of duplicity I have seen in scientologists on the drag in Austin. You remind me of them.

    You got that I was mad from that? Interesting.

    What I think is my comment made you mad and you think that I am feeling what you are feeling.

    Ii think if you want to insist on the paradigm of a child it would be more like stranger danger, I don't want this man's candy.

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