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    There were zero billions of dollars when Russia invaded and got curb stomped.
    You're just factually wrong. It's like people here have bought into some kind of mythical fairy tale.

    According to DOD, USAI packages prior to FY2022 provided sniper rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, counter-artillery radars, Mark VI patrol boats, electronic warfare detection and secure communications, satellite imagery and analysis capability, counter-unmanned aerial systems (UAS), air surveillance systems, night vision devices, and equipment to support military medical treatment and combat evacuation procedures. Since 2018, Ukraine also has used FMF, as well as some of its national funds, to procure U.S. defense equipment, including Javelin anti-armor missiles and Mark VI patrolboats purchased through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) system.
    Foreign Military Financing (FMF) is an aid program that provides grants and loans to help countries purchase weapons.

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040
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    You're just factually wrong. It's like people here have bought into some kind of mythical fairy tale.



    Foreign Military Financing (FMF) is an aid program that provides grants and loans to help countries purchase weapons.

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040
    So the bulk of the military assistance billions) has been on Biden shift after the invasion, err, SMO was way underway, and Yam s provided about $1B worth during his shift, got it.

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    You're just factually wrong. It's like people here have bought into some kind of mythical fairy tale.



    Foreign Military Financing (FMF) is an aid program that provides grants and loans to help countries purchase weapons.

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040
    I agree you are correct.
    It also does not count the aid given since 2014. Which probably raises the number.
    But, the majority of what was used in the first part of the war was Russian.
    And we did not think they would curb stomp the Russians in the beginning.

    You did not gripe about this aide when the war started though. It came later.
    So my overall feeling towards our aide is not enough and more importantly, not soon enough with the better strategic weapons .
    And your apparent belief that Putin will negotiate when he is not under as much duress, like right now, is flat out wrong Imo. He will have to be on the precipice of defeat politically and of militarily to negotiate.

    Your numbers, whic h I thank you for, also shows me how Trump absolutely should have been impeached. Not only did Trump ask a newly elected leader to try to use a foreign secret service to help him win an election. He really did threaten to cut off substantial military aide in a time when there was no war, but may have indeed given Putin even more reason to be so stupid about the attacking in the first place. “The American’s won’t help, we got this” type thinking.

    So the real mythical fairy tale from my end sees you believing Putin will actually negotiate in good faith. He has not for 25 years during the long list of invading other former Soviet States and more. We could go through that list again.

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    I agree you are correct.
    It also does not count the aid given since 2014. Which probably raises the number.
    But, the majority of what was used in the first part of the war was Russian.
    And we did not think they would curb stomp the Russians in the beginning.

    You did not gripe about this aide when the war started though. It came later.
    So my overall feeling towards our aide is not enough and more importantly, not soon enough with the better strategic weapons .
    And your apparent belief that Putin will negotiate when he is not under as much duress, like right now, is flat out wrong Imo. He will have to be on the precipice of defeat politically and of militarily to negotiate.

    Your numbers, whic h I thank you for, also shows me how Trump absolutely should have been impeached. Not only did Trump ask a newly elected leader to try to use a foreign secret service to help him win an election. He really did threaten to cut off substantial military aide in a time when there was no war, but may have indeed given Putin even more reason to be so stupid about the attacking in the first place. “The American’s won’t help, we got this” type thinking.

    So the real mythical fairy tale from my end sees you believing Putin will actually negotiate in good faith. He has not for 25 years during the long list of invading other former Soviet States and more. We could go through that list again.
    (not for 25 years during the long list of invading other former Soviet States and more.)

    I imagine at one juncture in that (quarter of a century) he was a welcome to be a dancin' & a singin' in that White House, long before your side threatened to blow up President Trump, his wife and their only child in there, eh, peegstein?

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    Apparently the VDV which is the RUS version of Army rangers has been attritted so badly and so poorly replaced they perform no better than the normal or penal regiments.

    They are afraid to recruit from the Western states that actually contain the ethnic Russians and at the same time afraid to empower soldiers from the Asiatic East.

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    Apparently the VDV which is the RUS version of Army rangers has been attritted so badly and so poorly replaced they perform no better than the normal or penal regiments.

    They are afraid to recruit from the Western states that actually contain the ethnic Russians and at the same time afraid to empower soldiers from the Asiatic East.
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    Apparently the VDV which is the RUS version of Army rangers has been attritted so badly and so poorly replaced they perform no better than the normal or penal regiments.

    They are afraid to recruit from the Western states that actually contain the ethnic Russians and at the same time afraid to empower soldiers from the Asiatic East.
    This part is very interesting.

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