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Right, we’d be penalized for 6 men on the court.
Love this take because it’s backed up by numbers and not the eye test. Jeremy isn’t a bad player at all imo, but I don’t think he’s in the best place to find success. Limited players have to be surrounded by other players that compliment their weaknesses. Look at Rodman, rebound king but he was often out of defensive position. They made up for this by having Jordan and Pippen as all NBA defenders. Green is another one who was allowed to focus on defense because his lack of shooting was complimented by being teamed with Steph and Klay.He's young and has time to improve, but I would dispute this. His offensive game in year 3 appeared to regress, other than in his shot diet.
His FG% increased, but only because of a change to his shot diet where the majority of his FGA are within 3 feet of the basket. Hi shooting from any other place on the court has been stagnant or has regressed. Even his FT%, still relying on the "one-hand" gimmick, was a career worst in year 3.
He also has significantly less self-creation ability in year 3, as evidenced by a significant jump up the % of his 2P FG's assisted by others. At this point, Jeremy is nothing more than a cutter/dunker. On one hand, it's a good thing that he's limiting shots he's not effective at, but on the other hand we need someone on the court who can be effective at those other shots. On offense, Sochan just allows the opposing team to put their C on his which results in Wemby being matched up with the opposing SF/PF, players who typically give him more trouble and preventing the opposing team's rim protector to be drawn out, so one advantage Wemby gives us gets neutralized.
My opinion doesn't mean anything, but I'm still on team "let him prove it" - no need to trade him unless the right deal comes along, but don't extend him and let him earn his next contact going into next summer as an RFA. The worst case scenario is Jeremy hits his highest potential outcomes and we have to pay what a lot of people are suggesting we pay him anyway.
Sochan is great at what he does, but he’s probably never going to be a competent shooter. So the question is can we surround him with what he lacks or should we look to trade him? One things for sure though, rolling him out with Devin, Keldon, Fox, Castle, and Harper is not going to compliment his skill set at all.
Right, we’d be penalized for 6 men on the court.
Ha… Ha… Ha… Yes, I meant all at the same time.
In year two, he was asked to run the offense. In year three, he guarded fives. Before Chris Paul, the team lacked a quality pick-and-roll handler, limiting his impact as a roll man.
Fans call his growth slow, but he’s quietly improved—his paint finishing rose from 65.9% to 70.7%, showing better touch and shot selection.
He’s also an efficient pick-and-roll big with elite free throw and and-1 rates. link here
In the recent postseason that showcased the power of defense-to-offense transition, he has the tools to thrive. He can lock down scorers, crash the boards, push the pace, and exploit unsettled defenses—similar to how Obi Toppin did for the Pacers.
Just a quick reminder of his performance in the start of last season:
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One of my favorite articles to come out around this time each year... Keith Smith's estimates of rookie scale extensions.
https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/28...nd-projections
Smith sees 4/80 for Sochan, with the last year as a team option. Interestingly, this is the same AAV as he sees for Tari Eason, who is estimating for a 5/100. Maybe this would be a hot take on Spurs talk, but probably shouldn't be, but Eason is probably more valuable than Sochan right now.
Not surprisingly, no extensions forecasted for Blake or Branham.
Edit: he also sees no extension for Jabari Smith, and projects he'll bet on himself as an RFA next year. I'll repeat that I think this is what we should do with Sochan.
So Houston doesn’t value Smith that much then according to this guy. Interesting…
Also Sochan shouldn’t get anything more than the MLE. It’s the most amount of money another team can offer him and really there’s zero reason to bid against ourselves and raise his price. But I am in agreement that Sochan should be on a prove it deal. I want contract year Sochan.
Please just learn how to shoot. Get that 28% on threes to 35 at least somehow please. He's such a great defender, finisher, and all-around dawg. He just needs to not shoot like a dweeb.
So they refused to trade him to the Suns for Durant but he's not going to sign an extension? I don't know, if that is really the case seems like they would have gladly moved him.
I'd be fine with an extensino to Sochan. He's unlikely to torpedo he's value. But I would rather do it with him on discount.
4/$70M is ok I think. Little bit more than the MLE to dissuade him going elsewhere.
Yeah, the logic is a little wonky - but I could see Houston letting Jabari have a prove it year and still being able to control him as an RFA. That will be a very interesting one to watch.
It’s not true that other teams can only offer him the MLE. Some team can offer him the max if they feel like it.
The proposed 4/80 is slightly above MLE money, considering the cap increase in the following seasons. I find it to be about right if they believe in him. This one is definitely going to the last seconds in october but I could see the Spurs holding off if his agent demands more.
15 million per year should be the max they offer him tbh. Anything above that is a huge overpay. At least he's shooting contested jumpers in the gym now. I'm really curious how these workouts translate to games.
Agree and considering its above the actual mle I dont find it disrespectful...KJ and Vassell both were coming from their best season when given their contracts, Sochan is coming from a just decent improving season with still obvious major flaws. Also in perspective, without major shooting improvements, his role is gonna become 9th to 10th man. Bryant, just off the gate, has already more starting forward skills than him and is gonna receive less then him for at least 4 years... 4 years 60 millions is affordable for the team, compatible with his actual and future role, and more than acceptable, actually, for him...at 27 YO if the improvements will be there he will receive his deserved bigger contract. But his actual market value is no more than the MLE number, possible improvements included...if he wants to bet on himself he's naturally free to do it but his style of play is bodyrisk one...so the bet for him would be a strong one.
Sochan plays in the 2025 EuroBasket tournament with 5 games in the group stage from Aug 28 to Sept 4, games against Slovenia, Iceland, Israel, France and Belgium. That could provide an early indicator if Sochan’s work has paid off.
You keep trying to convince us we didn't see what we saw smhOf course it can be quantified. It would be called offensive rating, and his horrible outside shooting already addressed it. His lack of shooting crowds the spacing and the offence bogs down. You can go on and on about how sochan is somehow the rare player who’s plays absolutely mismatches with every stat you throw at him. I can see a few stats here and there being off, things happen, but when multiple stats tell the same story, perhaps the stats aren’t wrong in the first place.
Andabout causation and correlation again, pray tell how a player being on the court leading to certain individual numbers be correlation ? Since you are such an expert in stats that you never use it, I’d love to hear your perspective on how individual numbers just so happens to be the way they are.
Finally, you don’t know how social media short clips can cherry pick? Players have hundreds of plays every game, it o my takes a few to go viral for people to form a strong opinion. Only AI can do it? I’m not sure why this has to be explained, for someone who talks so condescendingly to everyone on the forum and act as someone who is so authoritative, this is just purely shocking.
You could be working for the Israeli government with such an insane mindset
You guys have no shame keeping pushing this re-writing history BS narrative
He played the point 1 month! It was over at the start of December and last season Mitch tried to use him at the 5 for a few games only, JDub is smaller and has shown for Okc that you can survive it with a decent BBIQ and fundamentals, things that Sochan lacks
I mean they could offer him the max sure. But realistically what team is going to waste a max salary on Sochan. Think realistically and find me that team that’s going to offer a bench player a max contract. 90% of the teams can offer him the MLE. 5 can offer him more. Let him find those teams and see if they will offer him more. If not then just give him what the other 90% of teams can give him which is the MLE.
Also what is there to believe in? You know what would make me believe in his new shot? Him getting rid of his stupid one hand free throw and shooting them two handed with his new form. But he can’t shoot with his new form so he won’t.
This will be a good little glimpse into it. Thanks for reminding us. Would definitely want to see how it translates.
nah, it's too different what he's asked to do.
Sochan should get something similar to this dude tbh. Will probably still get a lot more, but this is a fair comparison in my book. Williams is just on a better team, so he plays less minutes.
I’m as anxious to see what happens with this extension as I am with the rest of offseason for the Spurs.
At the time of Keldon and Vassell extensions (both players who showed more than Sochan at this stage), everyone wanted to talk about what bargains they were… but Keldon’s deal is only acceptable now because it’s almost over, and Devin’s is being perceived more and more of an overpay. Will Sochan complete the Friendship era contract trifecta?
At least we don’t have Primo’s extension to worry about.
So I came in and showed numbers, you went back to your eye tests.You keep trying to convince us we didn't see what we saw smh
You could be working for the Israeli government with such an insane mindset
When challenged with showing ANY numbers, you pull the correlation vs causation garbage without showing any numbers that can show causation nor correlation.
Then you threw out the woman thing, thinking it was an insult only to be laughed at.
Now you are saying what you see represents more than what you see with the mythical “we” saw. Who’s “we”?
Then to cap it off, you are pulling politics in this as if anyone who doesn’t agree with you is committing some level of crime against humanity.
All this, and still no backup.
Really, are you so full of yourself that you think you represent more than one person, or are you sexually ambiguous and identify as we/us? Given it’s you who thinks calling someone a woman is an insult, I’m guessing the former.
Speaking of which, did you call your mother and tell her you think she’s inferior to you?
This dumbass' goofy shooting form is messing up the entire team. I just hope he practiced his shooting in between blazing all summer.
This shall be the testing year for the Polish Python, Sochan , hahahaha
I didn’t say it was great. It is what it is though. Someone out there is going to offer him 20 per.
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