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    I honestly don't know a single person outside of the internet that is anti-gay marriage. I don't understand why anyone GIVES A .

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    Why are you so in favor of it.
    If the government is going to be in the business of marriage, I don't see a good reason to forbid it -- you and the other opponents here certainly haven't presented anything resembling a case; all you do is try to call people sexuals. I would prefer the government remove itself from the business of marriage as much as possible rather than further impose itself upon it.

    Why are you for more government regulation of people's lives?

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    I honestly don't know a single person outside of the internet that is anti-gay marriage. I don't understand why anyone GIVES A .
    I think the opponents here are just angry their gay jokes and graphic depictions of sexual sex are losing their inflammatory effectiveness.

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    I think the opponents here are just angry their gay jokes and graphic depictions of sexual sex are losing their inflammatory effectiveness.
    I'm as conservative as the next guy, but I try to stick to issues that affect me in any way, shape, or form. They should do the same.

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    I'm as conservative as the next guy, but I try to stick to issues that affect me in any way, shape, or form. They should do the same.
    Thats why I said earlier in this thread that true conservatives should have no problems with this ruling. Of course, if you're a conservative who wants to legislate your morality then you're not really a true conservative, are you?

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    I'm in favor of equality across the spectrum. That is why I'm for it.
    Manny, tolerance is a relative thing. You might want to be a little more careful throwing out the bigot card just because someone might agree with civil unions and not full blown marriage. The NAMBLA example is not as extreme as you may think. For someone that is pro NAMBLA you would be a bigot because you don't include them in your "spectrum".

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    Manny, tolerance is a relative thing. You might want to be a little more careful throwing out the bigot card just because someone might agree with civil unions and not full blown marriage.
    Why would someone want to make that distinction?

    The NAMBLA example is not as extreme as you may think. For someone that is pro NAMBLA you would be a bigot because you don't include them in your "spectrum".
    Oh, it's quite extreme. The general and legal concept of consent can't be ignored.

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    You're REALLY, REALLY late to the party, and it's obvious you haven't read the thread, so I'll synopsize it for you. We've (your opposition) decided that it doesn't matter if the behavior is voluntary or not. LGBT people are being treated as a class of people, and denied rights in the same way, specifically, the right to marry the adult human consenting individual of their choice. If you want to get involved in the incest/polygamy discussion, you'll have to bring yourself up to speed.
    Well, we've decided that they do not deserve a special categorization of a "class of people". Sexual orientation is a choice based on physical desire and lust. It's purely hedonistic. It is NOT about "emotional connections" because emotions could mean gots could fall in love with a woman too.

    1) It is a choice, and nobody on this earth has been able to prove that it isn't.

    That is not grounds to give them special privileges.

    When do we stop? If the simple fact that s want special laws created for them because of their perversion of sex, then why not polygamy and incest?

    2) I don't want s being "normalized" by muddying up an ANCIENT HUMAN TRADITION.

    The family is THE SACRED TRINITY (no, i'm not religious). The Father, the Mother, and the Child/Son/Daughter.

    I do not want to live in a world where children think it's normal to be a confused, self-loathing human being who cannot accept their gender, and who cannot accept their responsibilities as that gender.

    Why are you so angry about this, MH? Does it personally affect you if some man marries a man in California?
    Yes, it absolutely affects me. It is the world I live in.

    I do not want to live in a world where it's OK for MEN behave like women. Where it's normal for MEN to enjoy taking it up the ass and getting spanked, or wearing feminine clothing and behaving like a woman. A MAN does not do that. A MAN is a strong, dominant, NEVER TO BE CONQUERED gender.

    One who ACCEPTS his truth instead of trying to change the world like a little ing . Like a fairy.
    "Oh boohoo, I was born a man but I don't really like it =( Can I be a woman now? YAY!!"

    These people have mental illnesses. Period.
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    ^^You're an idiot.^^^

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    ^^You're an idiot.^^^
    Since you gave no argument and just a one liner, like a little baby child, then you don't matter.

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    Well, we've decided that they do not deserve a special categorization of a "class of people". Sexual orientation is a choice based on physical desire and lust. It's purely hedonistic. It is NOT about "emotional connections" because emotions could mean gots could fall in love with a woman too.

    1) It is a choice, and nobody on this earth has been able to prove that it isn't.

    That is not grounds to give them special privileges.

    When do we stop? If the simple fact that s want special laws created for them because of their perversion of sex, then why not polygamy and incest?
    Do people who marry have to have sex?

    Yes, it absolutely affects me. It is the world I live in.

    I do not want to live in a world where MEN behave like women. Where MEN enjoy taking it up the ass and getting spanked. A MAN does not do that. A MAN is a strong, dominant, NEVER TO BE CONQUERED gender.
    What does that have to do with you? Does that make you feel like you are taking it up the ass, being spanked and conquered?

    One who ACCEPTS his truth instead of trying to change the world like a little ing . Like a fairy.
    "Oh boohoo, I was born a man but I don't really like it =( Can I be a woman now? YAY!!"
    Do all gay men want to change their gender?

    Link?

    These people have mental illnesses. Period.
    I think you just proved one need not be gay to have a mental illness.

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    Manny, tolerance is a relative thing. You might want to be a little more careful throwing out the bigot card just because someone might agree with civil unions and not full blown marriage. The NAMBLA example is not as extreme as you may think. For someone that is pro NAMBLA you would be a bigot because you don't include them in your "spectrum".
    LOL its quite different. You're not doing yourself any favors by posting. I am a bigot to members of NAMBLA and I don't doubt that. I'm also OK with that.

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    Well, we've decided that they do not deserve a special categorization of a "class of people". Sexual orientation is a choice based on physical desire and lust. It's purely hedonistic. It is NOT about "emotional connections" because emotions could mean gots could fall in love with a woman too.

    1) It is a choice, and nobody on this earth has been able to prove that it isn't.

    That is not grounds to give them special privileges.

    When do we stop? If the simple fact that s want special laws created for them because of their perversion of sex, then why not polygamy and incest?

    2) I don't want s being "normalized" by muddying up an ANCIENT HUMAN TRADITION.

    The family is THE SACRED TRINITY (no, i'm not religious). The Father, the Mother, and the Child/Son/Daughter.

    I do not want to live in a world where children think it's normal to be a confused, self-loathing human being who cannot accept their gender, and who cannot accept their responsibilities as that gender.



    Yes, it absolutely affects me. It is the world I live in.

    I do not want to live in a world where it's OK for MEN behave like women. Where it's normal for MEN to enjoy taking it up the ass and getting spanked, or wearing feminine clothing and behaving like a woman. A MAN does not do that. A MAN is a strong, dominant, NEVER TO BE CONQUERED gender.

    One who ACCEPTS his truth instead of trying to change the world like a little ing . Like a fairy.
    "Oh boohoo, I was born a man but I don't really like it =( Can I be a woman now? YAY!!"

    These people have mental illnesses. Period.
    gay people say it's not a choice rather it's how they are born..

    next. I'll side with people who are actually gay to tell what it is and not some phobe on the internet.


    These people have mental illnesses. Period.
    I guess we could apply your logic and make the claim no one has proved it's a mental illness so you're wrong.

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    Do people who marry have to have sex?
    Yes, all husband and wives should have sex.

    What does that have to do with you? Does that make you feel like you are taking it up the ass, being spanked and conquered?
    I already told you what it has to do with me.

    Do all gay men want to change their gender?

    Link?
    Not all. Some do. Others want to remain male, but behave like a woman. The whole thing is enough for me to reject it.

    I think you just proved one need not be gay to have a mental illness.
    Are you a licensed psychiatrist? Show me your credentials.

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    LOL its quite different. You're not doing yourself any favors by posting. I am a bigot to members of NAMBLA and I don't doubt that. I'm also OK with that.
    And I'm OK with you thinking I am a bigot for supporting civil unions.

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    I agree with Miami Heat here.

    sexuality is repulsive and is anathema to the concept of the evolution of manhood.

    But, i'm all for them having their rights. The govt can give them the right to have civil unions. I don't think the govt should redefine a sacrament by the name of "Marriage" . You can call what couples did before monotheism anything you want, but "marriage" is a holy sacrament.

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    Since you gave no argument and just a one liner, like a little baby child, then you don't matter.
    Yes, and the level of respect you are deserving of in this thread is completely obvious.


    I go back to my original point.........you're an idiot.

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    gay people say it's not a choice rather it's how they are born..

    next. I'll side with people who are actually gay to tell what it is and not some phobe on the internet.
    Nobody on this earth has been able to prove that SEXUAL PREFERENCE is something you are born with.

    They are sexual TASTES. This is why we call them PREFERENCES in this first place. WE CHOOSE. Our tastes CHANGE WITH TIME.

    but let's ignore that for the sake of argument.

    Then if they are "born that way", then how does that make it OK? Child molesters are born that way too. Being "born that way" doesn't make it acceptable to be a got.

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    I agree with Miami Heat here.

    sexuality is repulsive and is anathema to the concept of the evolution of manhood.

    But, i'm all for them having their rights. The govt can give them the right to have civil unions. I don't think the govt should redefine a sacrament by the name of "Marriage" . You can call what couples did before monotheism anything you want, but "marriage" is a holy sacrament.
    I don't find it repulsive considering God did create gay people.

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    Yes, all husband and wives should have sex.
    That wasn't the question.

    Do all married couples have sex?

    I already told you what it has to do with me.
    Not at all. You just said how you think men should be. How would gay marriage affect you personally?

    Not all. Some do. Others want to remain male, but behave like a woman. The whole thing is enough for me to reject it.
    So what? No one is asking you to be gay.

    Are you a licensed psychiatrist? Show me your credentials.
    Are you a licensed psychiatrist? Show me your credentials.

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    Nobody on this earth has been able to prove that SEXUAL PREFERENCE is something you are born with.

    They are sexual TASTES. This is why we call them PREFERENCES in this first place. WE CHOOSE. Our tastes CHANGE WITH TIME.

    but let's ignore that for the sake of argument.

    Then if they are "born that way", then how does that make it OK? Child molesters are born that way too. Being "born that way" doesn't make it acceptable to be a got.
    You don't have to accept it..but others do so you will have to learn how to live with it...

    Why don't you ask gay people if they are born like that?

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    I agree with Miami Heat here.

    sexuality is repulsive and is anathema to the concept of the evolution of manhood.

    But, i'm all for them having their rights. The govt can give them the right to have civil unions. I don't think the govt should redefine a sacrament by the name of "Marriage" . You can call what couples did before monotheism anything you want, but "marriage" is a holy sacrament.
    Should there be a United States government definition of a holy sacrament?

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    You don't have to accept it..but others do so you will have to learn how to live with it...
    that, let him kill himself.

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    Manny, tolerance is a relative thing. You might want to be a little more careful throwing out the bigot card just because someone might agree with civil unions and not full blown marriage. The NAMBLA example is not as extreme as you may think. For someone that is pro NAMBLA you would be a bigot because you don't include them in your "spectrum".
    he does include them

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    Should there be a United States government definition of a holy sacrament?
    There already is, it's recognized, but the govt didn't define it or create it.

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