Pacers have traded this pick to the Spurs for George Hill sources say

[ChumpDumper]

So now you say you know what the Spurs are thinking. Just like earlier today with Hill.

[DesignatedT]

I like George, always will but the Spurs are addressing issues with there squad that need to be addressed and as much as I hate to see him go he really doesn't bring much that Anderson or Neal can't bring.

Getting size at every position is key to building a team and we didn't have that and Hill was part of that problem (undersized 2).

He might have been our best bench player the last couple of years and that could be part of the reason our last 2 playoff appearances have resulted in a first round exit and a 2nd round sweep. He simply played too many minutes for a marginal talent player here.

[Hoops Czar]

And? They still need to take in as much salary back. Do you understand how trade works? He's not coming 'off the books'.

Truth be told, when the Duncan retires the Spurs might just need to tank if they want to get back to be a contending team. As much value as Tony has, he's not going to land you a franchise type of player, neither will an old Manu.

Who said anything about franchise players? Its not as simple as matching salaries. And who said Parker would be alone in a deal? There are tons of possible scenarios. And when Duncan retires, the Spurs will tank the next few seasons. At least, I don't see our 3 million dollar 7-foot deal maker replacing Duncan any time soon.

There's a lot of things I wouldn't put past him, but trading the franchise players he's building his team around for George Hill and Dejuan Blair strikes me as beyond pipe dream. I mean, even the rumor that he would do such thing would automatically trigger almost every other team in the league offering a better trade.

Until it happens. He flirted with it once.

He's still an incredibly cheap talent for what he brings. Let me put it this way: Zaza Pachulia will make $4.7m next season. DeSagana Diop will make $6.9m. Andrea Bargnani will make $9m.

Being able to have a legit 7 footer for $3m in your roster in this league is an incredible bargain.

He's only incredibly bargain if he plays and contributes on a regular basis. If he's riding the pine, he's useless. I'm not one for collecting bigs just for the sake of having bigs on the roster. For a player averaging 1.7 minutes/game, that's about right. He's still got a lot to prove and as far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on him.

Not sure why you included Bargnani. He's at level Splitter can't touch.

[FkLA]

When was he one of the top bench players in the league? Was he ever even in serious contention for 6th man of the year?

As well as he played against the Mavericks, he played just as badly getting completely obliterated by Dragic in the next round. And sure, he has had good games as a Spur. Especially at home. He just wasn't anything more than a decent role player though.

He finished 8th in 6th Year of the Man candidates just this past season. Id consider that one of the top bench players in the league.

Just like Tony Parker got obliterated by Michael Conley? What Spurs player hasnt been outplayed in a series at one point or another. He was a very solid role player, not just a decent one.

[ElNono]

But trading him for a young rookie was what the Spurs needed to attempt to improve in preparation for a last stand? Perhaps the Spurs wouldnt have improved by keeping Hill but atleast you know what you get with him, Anderson and Leonard are unproven at the NBA level. Those two players still need time to develope, time both Manu and Tim dont have.

Because they know what they get with him, and they know what the ceiling is with him on the roster, they rather gamble and see if the luck out.
With Hill the ceiling is 2nd round. With these unproven guys, it could be better or could be worse. But at least you do have a shot at better.

[DesignatedT]

Thats the point, he will be gone before his deal is done. Chump insists he wont because they signed him to a 4-yr extension and because nobody knows what the Spurs are thinking.

I don't think him not finishing his contract here is some guarantee.

[Hoops Czar]

It's a four year extension.

Parker wouldn't sign a one year extension.

[joshdaboss]

I like George, always will but the Spurs are addressing issues with there squad that need to be addressed and as much as I hate to see him go he really doesn't bring much that Anderson or Neal can't bring..

I totally see your point here. Just kidding, neither of them play point guard.

[jesterbobman]

To make some people like it more and others hate it more

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...eakdown-110624

[ChumpDumper]

Parker wouldn't sign a one year extension.

So now you know what Tony Parker is thinking.

Buncha psychics here.

[DesignatedT]

I totally see your point here. Just kidding, neither of them play point guard.

That's the best part of the trade tbh. We don't have to watch him try to run point anymore because he was pretty ing bad at it. Hopefully we can finally sign a true PG via free agency.

[joshdaboss]

That's the best part of the trade tbh. We don't have to watch him try to run point anymore because he was pretty ing bad at it. Hopefully we can finally sign a true PG via free agency.

What was their record when Tony Parker went down and Hill took over PG again? I would just like you to refresh my memory on that.

[ChumpDumper]

What was their record when Tony Parker went down and Hill took over PG again? I would just like you to refresh my memory on that.

You mean when Manu ran the point?

[joshdaboss]

You mean when Manu ran the point?

That is funny, I could have sworn I heard them say "starting at point guard, George Hill".

[FkLA]

Because they know what they get with him, and they know what the ceiling is with him on the roster, they rather gamble and see if the luck out.
With Hill the ceiling is 2nd round. With these unproven guys, it could be better or could be worse. But at least you do have a shot at better.

You have a shot at better with any move you make.

I'll take my chances with a player who has grown into a Top 10 bench player and the 4th best player on the team over two guys that have yet to prove themselves though. Its very unlikely Anderson and Leonard will contribute as much as George couldve this upcoming season. It'll essentially be their rookie season for both of them. Thats why I wouldve preferred a Parker trade, he couldve netted an established player. Not players whom we have to pray translate their game well into the NBA.

[DesignatedT]

What was their record when Tony Parker went down and Hill took over PG again? I would just like you to refresh my memory on that.

Are you talking about 2 years ago because Tony only missed like 3 games this season...

and if you are talking about 2 years ago.. are you talking about right after all-star break where Manu was having one of the best stretches of games in his entire career?

You realize Manu was actually running the point right?

[ChumpDumper]

That is funny, I could have sworn I heard them say "starting at point guard, George Hill".

You swore the Lakers never parted ways with Fisher.

[joshdaboss]

You swore the Lakers never parted ways with Fisher.

Correct. Fisher parted ways with the Lakers.

[ChumpDumper]

Correct. Fisher parted ways with the Lakers.

And the Lakers parted ways with him.

[FkLA]

I don't think him not finishing his contract here is some guarantee.

Well obviously nothing is a guarantee. But it'd be the smart move and something the Spurs will pursue.

[joshdaboss]

And the Lakers parted ways with him.

Incorrect.

[ChumpDumper]

Incorrect.

Of course it's correct.

Thanks for being a dumbass in two threads though.

[ElNono]

He finished 8th in 6th Year of the Man candidates just this past season. Id consider that one of the top bench players in the league.

So he was never in serious contention for 6th man of the year... The guy received 10 votes, not even a single 1st place vote

Just like Tony Parker got obliterated by Michael Conley? What Spurs player hasnt been outplayed in a series at one point or another. He was a very solid role player, not just a decent one.

The difference is that Tony has won series being the focal point for us. At the very best, George was great for a number of games playing as a role player.

You're not going to get me to talk about George. I already stated what's the only beef I could possibly have with him and that's his inconsistency on the road. I appreciate the time he gave us. Unfortunately, at this time the team needs to try to improve in whatever way possible, and due to his salary matching well to make a trade for picks and the logjam we have at SG, he was the guy that could give us the better return to move up in this draft and fetch some talent.

[Hoops Czar]

So now you know what Tony Parker is thinking.

Buncha psychics here.

Would you pass up guaranteed money?

[ChumpDumper]

Would you pass up guaranteed money?

You just said he would.