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for the expediency of the public purse and the general good, the fertility of the indigent ought to be discouraged, and voluntary options for sterilization presented as a precondition for public relief of expecting parents
My God...
You too?
Eugenics is an attempt to control genetics. Not a class of people. Not finances.
for the expediency of the public purse and the general good, the fertility of the indigent ought to be discouraged, and voluntary options for sterilization presented as a precondition for public relief of expecting parents
something like that?
Not quite. I'm not encouraging the sterilization unless there is financial irresponsibility.
I know this looks bad from a point of compassion. Still, it isn't an attempt to control birth based of biology, race, etc. This has nothing to do with breeding people with better genetic inheritance. Only to discourage having children when people cannot support them.
The pro choice movement is more involved with eugenics than anyone I bet. Wanting to abort babies with genetic deficiencies.
hmm...which would be determined how?Not quite. I'm not encouraging the sterilization unless there is financial irresponsibility.
anybody with a bad credit rating and a low income?
That has been covered. If the need to apply for government assistance to raise the child when they didn't have financial changes from since they conceived. If they do, a process would start that may require them to be sterilized in exchange for the assistance.
A simple "no" would have sufficed.
Sorry for being so rash on that. You know I get tired of people framing things wrong, and I'm tired of telling people and proving with evidence that it is not eugenics.
I consider you one of the few, more intelligence posters. We disagree with each other a great deal, and that's fine. I just ask that you but please keep it honest.
should this idea be a part of romney's platform?
no answer huh?
how about this.......should this be on obama's platform?
Despite having listed his own definition, WC cannot manage to deviate from what his preconceived notion of what eugenics is. He doesn't understand the concept of mutually exclusivity or that 'stated intentions' are indpendent of what something is.
I think we all know what it is and that his proposal belongs in early twentieth century Central Europe and has no place in the country that stopped such evil.
I think since this is a thread about WC, lets talk about him. We have seen him fumble around on the topics of climate, law, economics, sociology, history, electronics, mechanics, dating and even the very parts that he changes for the machines he works on --thanks for the caps in series comment, dumbass-- and it has made me come to a question or two.
First is WC hardheaded, dumb or what I believe to be the correct answer: both? I find obtuse fits him to a 't.'
The second question comes from that most of his does not come from his own brain. I think its safe to say after reading his and ability to process and understand information --as exemplified here once again by his posting and not understanding his own eugenics definition-- that he gets this from someone else. Who or what do you guys think that is and i do not mean type of media.
As an aside, the WCs of the world are dangerous. Not in the sense that he could lead even a horse to water but rather that he is easily led. Given this conversation I think its also safe to say that while he would not been a leader in the party, he most certainly would have been swept up in the tide of National Socialism had he been in 1930s Germany. He would have put on the Brown uniform. There is no doubt in mind.
By himself he is harmless unless you are a woman which is a different topic but as the tool of others he is so dumb as to be unscrupulous.
"his proposal belongs in early twentieth century Central Europe"
South Carolina, tea baggers/Real Americans paradise, was forcibly sterlizing blacks and others until the 1970s, the last of about 40 states that did the same up to mid-20th-century USA.
It wasn't 'tea baggers.' You turn people off to your message with your mindless spin. It makes you look like a quack. The group that did/does that type of thing are the old southern landownders. There are several social groups where they and their wives are easy to find.
That just means we need to guard against the WC's and those that lead him even more. its no coincidence that Gingrich is from Georgia.
gathered together in one big mass, if they could understand one another somehow. that's a big if. WCs are very idiosyncratic.
(hence my Berlin Alexanderplatz/Franz Bieberkopf references in a similar vein upstream)
I'm gonna go with "the danger is real, but tragically overhyped"
basically, only as dangerous as one guy, or a handful. I don't see a lot of WCs out there, tbh.
Understood. And for what it's worth, when I said "neuter" above, I just meant that as shorthand for tube-tying. As you pointed out, technically they aren't the same thing.
I agree with you. Isolated and without nefarious leadership hes just a dumbass trolling a message board. My point is that its his type that allows the Pol Potts and Adolph Hitlers of the world to do what they do.
Such behavior is rare and needs to be kept that way.
Aren't the indigent financially irresponsible anyway? Hes pointless to argue with directly because he has such difficulty keeping up.
i would be for criminalizing long term child neglect, but sterilization? too nazi-ish for my tastes.
Do you think we should continue to supply money for those continuing to have kids at tax payer dollars?
Do you have a solution to roll back what we spend on social spending that will have results?
This is great. Now you are insinuating that there are no other means to 'roll back on social spending.' You just make yourself look more and more like a jackass. i don't really even have to ttry.
Well we cannot get them off the welfare rolls so we should just open the WC Human Spay and Neuter Club. Your motto can be: 'Its not eugenics if they're poor.'
I think ignorant is the shoe that fits best.
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