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no, you definitely don't cherry pick your games, got
not so quick to post today's box score, eh?
I did. That's how I know that last shot was a heave. In fact, I never gave much thought to him being a chucker until the playoffs last season. I had not actually watched many of his games however during the series with the Spurs, he shot his team out of compe ion more than once. In one game his team was up by 16 points and he chucked his team out of the game in the 4th quarter. You can blame that on the coach if you like or you can blame it on the system but it is what it is. I don't see how that's any different than what Kobe does. They either hit or they miss, but either way they are going to take the shots and those shots are very rarely coming in the flow of the offense because often the offense doesn't have any flow to it due to 4 players standing around watching.
Now let me ask you a question, did you see that game?
You can be more assertive without playing hero basketball. If you interpret assertive as meaning take over the game then you probably don't know as much about the game as you think you do, despite your church league experience.now granted, Mark Jackson probably doesn't know much more about it than you do.
Last edited by Expert; 12-11-2013 at 01:29 PM.
no, you definitely don't cherry pick your games, got
not so quick to post today's box score, eh?
Golden State Warriors STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS David Lee, PF 38 7-16 0-0 1-2 5 6 11 3 1 1 2 4 +2 15 Harrison Barnes, SF 44 6-16 1-4 4-4 2 2 4 1 1 0 1 5 +4 17 Andrew Bogut, C 35 3-5 0-0 0-0 4 14 18 2 0 2 2 0 +2 6 Stephen Curry, PG 44 13-25 6-11 1-1 0 4 4 9 3 0 8 3 +5 33 Klay Thompson, SG 35 3-14 3-9 2-2 0 3 3 1 0 0 4 2 -2 11 BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Hilton Armstrong, PF 7 0-0 0-0 0-2 1 2 3 0 0 1 0 0 +3 0 Marreese Speights, PF 5 0-2 0-0 1-2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -4 1 Draymond Green, SF 28 4-5 1-1 0-2 2 3 5 4 1 2 1 2 +5 9 Toney Douglas, PG 4 1-3 1-3 0-0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 2 -3 3 Kent Bazemore, SG 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -2 0 Nemanja Nedovic, PG DNP COACH'S DECISION TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS 37-86 12-28 9-15 14 36 50 20 6 6 18 18 95 43.0% 42.9% 60.0%
I knew you'd be along shortly since I have you flustered.
Do you think the way the Warriors played tonight is playoff level basketball? Do you think Curry taking 25 shots and turning the ball over 8 times is playoff level basketball? Curry faced a bigger chucker tonight in Monta Ellis. Dirk was getting points on every trip but suddenly it was the Monta Ellis show and subsequently the Mavs lost. It didn't help that Blair was inserted and gave up a 9-2 run. Sure Curry hit some big shots, and the shots he hit in the flow of the offense were good shots make or miss, but those dribble down long range bombs, like those that clanked in the 1st half, those are the governors of the Warrior's acceleration. As long as the team and Steph think Steph cannot miss, that he's magical, they'll be a just above .500 team. They might make the playoffs, but that style of play won't take them far.
Now, those drives into the paint and kickouts, those are solid. I'd like to see more ball movement though. They could exploit his shooting ability if they didn't require him to get his own shot behind the arc. Since he pulls a defender everywhere he goes, just move the ball around and get the defense moving. They don't do that though, it's either a dribble and shot or a pass and shot. There's rarely more than one pass before the shot and often it's a one on one game with Curry, and if he cannot get open, with someone else.
I've said chuckers will have good games. Kobe's had much better nights and he's brought his team back offensively. I didn't see Curry play a lick of defense, but then you're focused on shooting only.
All i have to say is that Shawn Marion is no longer a good defender. He bites on EVERY ING PUMP FAKE which tells me he's lost a step laterally and is overplaying on shot fakes as a result. Once i saw Matrix on Curry i knew what was coming. Pump fake/Marion jumps wildly/Wide open shot/Bucket/Game.
He's become Danny Green in that regard.
you haven't been able to answer a yes or no question for 7 months and i'm flustered? pls
he should have easily cracked double digit assists but klay was playing horribly. curry was getting into the lane pretty easily for most of the night. a few of the turnovers credited to him were ones where teammates didn't to a good job going after his passes. there were a few times they dropped a pass out of bounds similar to manu at the end of game 7. his teammates were having a miserable night with their outside shooting and he still picked up a solid 9 assists though. your problem is you've already made up your mind as to who/what he is, and won't have it any other way even though he's having the best passing season of his career
curry has never been a great defender, nor have i claimed him to be. he manages to come away with some steals to pad his defensive stats (though steals aren't a true indicator of a good defender in most cases). i've always likened him to a better version of Dallas Mavericks edition Steve Nash
lol a chucker with an average of 15.2 shots per game on his career. That's .1 less than our selfless ultimate team player, greatest Power Forward of All Time Tim Duncan.
The kid is arguably the best shooter in the game today it's OK for him to be taking shots, tbh.
This thread further cements what a trashy poster the OP is.
One game shouldn't sway the argument one way or another that much, tbh. I was just arguing on that team he is asked to score. to take a volume of shots and when you do some will be bad. To me Steph's shot selction is a bit better than Kobe's even though I agree I think curry's ego is nearing Kobe territory.
Kobe sometimes imho makes the game more difficult he chooses the more difficult path, maybe it's ego maybe he gets bored or he just thinks a impossible contested shot is more gratifying than a easy two.
Steph though a great ball handler, and deceptively quick is not very fast or tall ... so it is much easier to contest his shots so he takes tough shots because he cannot always get easier ones. But again I freely admit i have seen tons of Kobe games not as much of Steph since GSW is not on national TV much until recently.
I see it as a decision making issue. If he can hit the basket from 28' he should be able to hit a teammate as well. If Dallas didn't leave so much cheese and lettuce at the rim with Sammy "white pants" Dalembert and Dejuan "no knees" Blair, Steph's heroics would have just been a passing note.
Pretty sure you need to start giving this more consideration. The guy looked like complete tonight. He was chucking at every opportunity. Sure some of it was the coaches fault because the bigs were scoring and he went away from that when he needed scoring. The coach did not cause those turnovers however.
Golden State Warriors STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS David Lee, PF 37 8-13 0-0 7-8 3 7 10 0 1 2 2 4 -7 23 Harrison Barnes, SF 38 9-16 2-5 0-0 4 8 12 4 1 0 3 5 +8 20 Andrew Bogut, C 27 5-7 0-0 0-0 3 8 11 2 2 1 2 3 -1 10 Stephen Curry, PG 39 5-12
1-5 9-11 0 2 2 9 0 0 6 6 -18 20 Klay Thompson, SG 45 6-17 1-7 2-3 0 5 5 5 1 2 3 4 -7 15 BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Hilton Armstrong, PF 4 1-1 0-0 0-0 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 1 +6 2 Marreese Speights, PF 16 7-14 0-0 2-2 8 1 9 0 0 0 0 1 0 16 Draymond Green, SF 21 2-7 2-4 0-0 0 3 3 2 0 1 2 5 -11 6 Toney Douglas, PG 13 0-3 0-1 0-0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 +12 0 Kent Bazemore, SG 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -2 0 Andre Iguodala, SF DNP STRAINED LEFT HAMSTRING Nemanja Nedovic, PG DNP COACH'S DECISION TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS 43-90 6-22 20-24 19 37 56 22 6 6 18 30 112
12 shot attempts and 9 assists. damn chucking them out of another one
DMC stop moving goal posts son. For future reference, how many shot per game should Curry be taking for you to not call him a chucker? 5, 6?
For future reference, I've said a volume shooter and a chucker are two different creatures. It's the flow of the offense that dictates the shot attempt. For example, Kevin Love took a lot of shots against the Spurs, but they were in the flow of the offense. Curry's shots are often with 3 defenders draped on him. Even Hubie called him out on it.DMC stop moving goal posts son. For future reference, how many shot per game should Curry be taking for you to not call him a chucker? 5, 6?
For the record.
Dude is a chucker, cannot defend for , has his moments where he hits unbelievable shots, but that style of offense isn't going to get them anywhere. He's a hero baller. Some of that he was throwing up there last night was wild as .
I call horse . If love went 1-9 from 3 you would have called him a chucker and took his teammates out of the game
He wouldn't have. If he missed his first 3 attempts, he wouldn't have kept heaving them.
He was taking what the defensive was giving. Curry forces up crazy ass shots. I didn't see Kevin shoot ill advised shots with teammates wide open.
Nov 4 @CLE L 92-93 36:19 8 20 40.0 0 7 0.0 1 1 100.0 4 9 13 5 3 0 1 1 17
Post the entire box score.
Min FG 3pt FT +/- Off Def Reb Ast TO Stl Blk BA PF Pts Corey Brewer 37:36 5-12 0-4 3-3 +11 1 2 3 1 3 6 0 0 4 13 Kevin Love 36:19 8-20 0-7 1-1 +7 4 9 13 5 3 0 1 1 1 17 Nikola Pekovic 35:28 3-12 0-0 2-4 -12 5 7 12 1 3 2 0 4 2 8 Kevin Martin 34:02 7-16 5-8 4-4 +11 1 3 4 3 2 0 0 3 1 23 Ricky Rubio 25:36 0-7 0-3 4-4 -3 0 1 1 5 2 5 1 1 1 4 J.J. Barea 22:24 4-11 0-4 0-1 +2 0 3 3 2 2 1 0 3 1 8 Derrick Williams 22:24 5-9 0-1 3-4 +2 0 2 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 13 Dante Cunningham 15:04 2-4 0-0 0-0 -9 1 3 4 2 0 1 2 0 2 4 Alexey Shved 8:28 0-3 0-1 2-3 -12 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 Gorgui Dieng 2:37 0-0 0-0 0-0 -2 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 3 0
the alignment is off, but an educated man such as yourself should be able to get the gist. by the way they lost to cleveland here
On the same night:
Golden State Warriors STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS David Lee, PF 26 8-15 0-0 2-2 3 4 7 2 0 0 5 0 +34 18 Andre Iguodala, SF 33 11-18 7-11 3-4 1 2 3 3 3 1 1 2 +35 32 Andrew Bogut, C 23 1-1 0-0 2-4 0 7 7 3 2 1 1 4 +25 4 Stephen Curry, PG 29 7-16 2-9 2-2 3 7 10 12 5 1 2 0 +34 18 Klay Thompson, SG 30 5-12 4-8 1-2 1 2 3 2 2 0 1 3 +38 15 BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Marreese Speights, PF 14 4-8 0-1 1-2 0 2 2 0 0 1 1 3 -8 9 Draymond Green, SF 21 1-4 0-1 0-0 0 9 9 2 2 2 1 2 -3 2 Jermaine O'Neal, C 12 0-3 0-0 0-0 1 3 4 1 1 0 1 3 -1 0 Ognjen Kuzmic, C 9 0-1 0-0 0-0 1 1 2 0 0 0 2 2 -11 0 Toney Douglas, PG 19 1-5 1-4 0-0 2 1 3 2 1 0 3 3 -14 3 Nemanja Nedovic, PG 12 1-3 0-2 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 0 2 0 -14 2 Kent Bazemore, SG 13 2-6 1-2 2-4 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 2 -15 7 Harrison Barnes, SF DNP COACH'S DECISION TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS 41-92 15-38 13-20 13 41 54 28 18 7 22 24 110
Here Curry takes 9 three point shots and his 2 of them. He missed the same number of 3pt shots as Kevin. You had to go back almost 2 months to find an example. I only have to go back a week.
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