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I knew I liked jelly for some reason...... now I know..
Any man would be proud to give his only son for democracy.
I knew I liked jelly for some reason...... now I know..
I would hate to be your son.
That is the most pathetic, idiotic utterance that I have ever ever seen in my life.
I am sad for your children. I hope you do not have children, and if you don't then please get a vasectomy. You are a freak.
You would let your child die to bring democracy to another country, a country that hates our guts???
[QUOTE=Jimcs50]Bush says the war is "worth the sacrifice". For whom? I would like to see if he would send his daughters over to Iraq amidst the fighting...then let us see if he thinks this quagmire is worth the sacrifice. no, he would not let his daughters die for oil or because he wants to spread freedom.
Bush is nothing but a lying, special interest grabbing flag waving con man.
If not for oil interests, we would not be there. Whottt, you know that and yet, you hide behind your "patriotism" and just act like this is all just, and that is wrong.
We are wanting to "spread freedom" all around the world.....that is BULL . There are hundreds of countries that are under the same type of tyrrany as Iraq is, but they have nothing of interest to us, we have nothing to gain either monetarily or politically by freeing these people, so we just shake our heads and say, "how tragic", yet we do nothing for them militarily.
We have allienated over 90% of our allies, bcause they know the real reason why we are over there....am I am sick of it.
Greed, plain and simple.
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Exactly. Well done, Jim. I was beginning to associate the word "Patriot" with things like sheep and towing the company line. Your post was very refreshing.
Jelly, it is apropos in this situation. Do you understand?? Do you have a ing brain???
Bush stated 3 wks ago that "this war is worth the sacrifice." What has HE sacrificed???? I asked the question about HIS kids, because he does not know what it is like to lose a child in battle. How does HE know that this oil war is worth losing a child, worth the sacrifice?????????????
How dare he say that this is worth the sacrifice, when he has lost NOTHING in this war. his smug at ude.
He avoided going to an equally unjust war in Vietnam, had his dad not pulled some strings, he might have found out first hand what sacrifice really is.
You people are ignorant simpletons, that believe whatever the party says...you are no smarter than the Germans that followed the Nazis in their political propaganda in the 30s.
Think for yourselves for a change...read....use your ing brains.......if you have any left.
They say we are doomed to repeat history if we do not learn from history, well, this is another Viet Nam, it is a war being waged for one reason, and that is for monetary gain, and our sons and daughters, mothers and fathers and dying for it.
Another reaon to oppose this ed up war is we are losing well trained soldiers of our special forces, soldiers that are not just drafted grunts, like we lost in Nam. These soldiers are SEALs, Rangers and Delta Company soldiers...these people are trained to protect us in counter terrorism, these men are being wasted in this God forsaken country. We will not have enough of these specialists left to fight against the REAL enemy, al-Qaeda. We are spreading ourselves thin, and the real enemy is taking note, believe me.
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Thankyou...I am glad to see that some Spurs' fans actually have a brain.
STFU! Were you asking Clinton to send Chelsea to Bosnia, Kosovo, etc... We are still there.
The sheep are the ones who don't want to do . They want to follow the UN. It is hard to see why anyone would follow the UN when you see they had their hands in all sorts of illegal activities in Iraq. No wonder they didn't want us to enforce the laws in Iraq.
Did you not care that our planes were being fired on for the prior 10 years before Desert Storm II? Did you think it was okay for Saddam to be trying to shoot our planes down?
You mixed Clinton into the discussion. Amazing. Hence the problem of separating true issues from politics. For some of you, it is impossible.
No A-hole, the sheep are the ones who do whatever their leaders say without question, no matter how ed up it may be. I know that is a difficult concept for you, but try your best to understand it.
The UN didn't approve of Kosovo, but Clinton got us into a war that we are still in NOW. Soldiers are killed there too. Did he or you require that Clinton send Chelsea?
Also, like Jelly said, how the is someone going to send their adult child anywhere?too ing funny!
Well, Iraq is similar to Kosovo.
Kosovo Iraq
People were being killed by a tyrant.. X X
Country firing at US Planes X X
UN didn't care X X
etc... X X
Jim,
you are an ignorant jackass. Are you just not capable of grasping the idea that there are more than two positions to take on Iraq... Extreme right and extreme left? Do you not have the cognitive skills to view the war as a more complex situation or do you have to reduce everything to tired old cliches.....Bush is evil, it's only about oil, would you send your son...blah, blah,blah.
I agree that we are spreading our military thin, but it doesn't do anything for the debate when you resort to grossly exaggerated claims like we are losing all our special forces and we won't have anyone left to protect Americans on the mainland. You're a flaming idiot and arrogant asshole if you think everyone who isn't screeching your kind of exaggerated, doomsday rhetoric is some pro-Bush chickenhawk republican that can't read or think for themselves. I happen to be against this war, asshole. But I don't share your simplistic brainwashed view that Bush is the devil incarnate and that the administration are his evil disciples. No do I believe that the war has been the apocalyptic "disaster" that unhinged leftwing fear mongers keep screaming about. Take your own advice and do some reading...something other than leftwing websites, experiment with thinking on your own, without all the liberal propaganda to prop up your arguments...it'll feel strange at first but you'll get used to it.
I wonder is Bush has ever said to his daughters..."You are with me or against me. Now go enlist because we must stay the course and if that Sheehan can lose a son I can damn sure lose a daughter for this great cause."
Two more Gold Star Families are heading to Crawford to fill in for Sheehan...
Daily KosEvelyn Allen and Patricia Roberts, two mothers who lost their sons to the war in Iraq, are on their way to Texas, demanding to see President Bush. (Story) What will the pack of hyenas say about these ladies? What type of dirt will they dig up? More exploitation? Are they tax cheats? Will the great Malkin speak for their dead kids?
What will they say? They haven't met with Bush. Will there be more coverage from the press? Will Bill O'Reilly call them traitors? Will Rush Limbaugh call them fakes?
If moveon and Michael Moore really wanted them to suceed in their quest they'd disassociate from those women. Getting a bunch of hate filled lefties to support them is just about the worst thing they can do to gain the ear of the American Public.
And don't you guys have some mexicans to racially discriminate against anyway?
Oh wait...you're too busy discriminating against those "savage Iraqis" that can't be civilized and don't deserve to live except under the boot of tyranny and opression.....
Whottt, why should we Americans die for Iraqis???
The US has never ever gone to war just to save another country from oppression. Look it up.
There are literally hundreds of oppressed countries in the world....do we go into each of them and spread freedom????
no.
Jelly, you do not understand a single thing.
What is you educational background? Community college, yes?
I have learned that you can not have any type of argument for a moron, so I will not answer to your idiotic thoughts any more.
Jim...how many of those countries lie in a region of the world that is the birth place of an ideology that has declared war upon us, invaded another country, lost a war and violated the cease fire agreement they signed a dozen times since signing it, thus ending the ceasefire agreement, and have the financial assets to develop WMD?
Give me that list....c'mon expert...see if you can do it without threatening me...
And that is the 4,090,012,345,675,079,456,678,768 time I have posted that....see if you can be the first anti to exhibit some kind of linear thought capability....
Yeah Jelly...Jim's dentistry education makes him more knowledgable on world politics than you...because as we all know...the world is really nothing but a big mouth.
Maybe someday Jim will realize that sometimes you just got to yank the ing tooth out.
man how soon they forget it's a VOLUNTEER ARMY ....[B]
The govt is no more...they are not a threat to us any longer. Sadam is in jail.
Do you understand????
Do you know that more al Qaeda terrorists have come from Saudi Arabia (icluding the most wanted all off of them) and Africa than any other areas of the world??
Whottt, how naive can you be???
Name one terrorist that has come from Iraq that is of any consequence.
Why are we not cracking down on the country that has supplied more money and men into terrorism than every other country? You know why? Because George Bush is in bed with the leader of Saudi Arabia, King Fahd, that is why.Saudi Arabia is a monarchy without elected representative ins utions or political parties....do we give a ???
We were allies with Iraq and Sadam at one time against Iran, after the Shah was overthrown. Do you know that the Shah and his policies made Sadam look like Mr Rogers in comparison?? He was a tyranical dictator who had thousands of people killed who opposed him. Yet, he was our "friend" so it was alright and we turned a blind eye toward him. He was not a bad man *wink wink*, he was a great man, blah blah blah.
Mohammad Reza, Shah to the Pea Throne ultimately sparked the Islamic Revolution of 1979. The Islamic Revolution, in turn, inspired fundamentalists throughout the Muslim world, including the Taliban and terrorists who thrived under its protection.
When Ayatolla Khomeini took over in Iran in 79, we switched over to Iraq as our "ally" because we were booted out of Iran and no longer got our greedy paws on Iranian oil.
Do you not see the trend here??? We are in bed with the Saudi govt because we make millions of dollars off their oil, even though they are an oppressed people(women have no rights what so ever), but they are playing ball with us, so we again turn a blind eye to their oppression.
How is that for "linear" thought???
And whottt, I had 4 yrs of college at a very fine academic ins ution, where I carried a 3.6 GPA, prior to dental school. It was there where I learned about a vast array of subject matter including political science and history, so I do think I am well qualified to think along a linear line.
What are YOUR academic qualifications???
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Republican voices
"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News
"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush
"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
Republicans denouncing Clinton for committing troops to Bosnia.
So let's just pull out and create Afghanistant part 2...just let another despot take over...rendering every death there meaningless.
Do you?Do you understand????
Hmmm...Pakistan may have the edge on the Saudies...Do you know that more al Qaeda terrorists have come from Saudi Arabia (icluding the most wanted all off of them) and Africa than any other areas of the world??
And guess who is supplying those terrorists we are fighting in Iraq?
You think Saudis want a Shia dominated country in that region?
Saddam Hussein.Whottt, how naive can you be???
Name one terrorist that has come from Iraq that is of any consequence.
Why are we not cracking down on the country that has supplied more money and men into terrorism than every other country? You know why? Because George Bush is in bed with the leader of Saudi Arabia, King Fahd, that is why.Saudi Arabia is a monarchy without elected representative ins utions or political parties....do we give a ???
What are we supposed to do? Invade a charter memeber of the UN that is a member in full standing? That has invaded no other countries?
The home land of Islam...
Yeah...Brilliant idea there Jim...
And we have put pressure on them to Westernize for decades.
We were allies with Iraq and Sadam at one time against Iran, after the Shah was overthrown. Do you know that the Shah and his policies made Sadam look like Mr Rogers in comparison?? He was a tyranical dictator who had thousands of people killed who opposed him. Yet, he was our "friend" so it was alright and we turned a blind eye toward him. He was not a bad man *wink wink*, he was a great man, blah blah blah.
False...your 4 year dentistry education has left you ignorant both of the Shah, what his intentions were, why he became oppressive, and why we allied with him....Go check your history.
Mohammad Reza, Shah to the Pea Throne ultimately sparked the Islamic Revolution of 1979. The Islamic Revolution, in turn, inspired fundamentalists throughout the Muslim world, including the Taliban and terrorists who thrived under its protection.
False...it started with the PLO...backed by the Russians...which is what dictated our alliance with Israel...
Why are we allied with Israel? They have no Oil.
Why did we go into Korea and Vietnam? They have no Oil.
Why did we ait the Radicals in Afghanistan...Afghanistan has no Oil.
When Ayatolla Khomeini took over in Iran in 79, we switched over to Iraq as our "ally" because we were booted out of Iran and no longer got our greedy paws on Iranian oil.
I think it was the hostage and we are the great Satan thing that got the Iranians in hot water with us...
Do you think that is a just regime in Iran?
Have you looked at the things they do?
They make the Shah look like Santa Claus.
Do you not see the trend here??? We are in bed with the Saudi govt because we make millions of dollars off their oil, even though they are an oppressed people(women have no rights what so ever), but they are playing ball with us, so we again turn a blind eye to their oppression.
How is that for "linear" thought???
Pretty crappy...every country in the middle east is a hole...but we do not have legal cause, created by the violation of a cease fire agreement, to go into those countries and remove their leaders....and we have supported countries that have no Oil many times in the past.
And the reason we are allied with who we are allied with......are remnants of the cold war. Not because we love tyrants...check our history.
And better yet...check what is going on in the middle east right now...in terms of Democratic reform and free elections...check Saudi Arabia even.
I have a degree in Anthropology.And whottt, I had 4 yrs of college at a very fine academic ins ution, where I carried a 3.6 GPA, prior to dental school. It was there where I learned about a vast array of subject matter including political science and history, so I do think I am well qualified to think along a linear line.
What are YOUR academic qualifications???
Again...if all we wanted was Oil...what makes you think we couldn't have gotten it from Saddam?
And we don't use as much of that Oil as the rest of the World does....
I can see the argument for saying we are supporting corrupt regimes by Cana da being our leading Oil import partner...I can't see you saying it based on the mid-east.
Go find out where France and Germany get their Oil from...they are 100% dependent on Oil imports. We aren't.
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