http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nb...kawhi-leonard/
That nails all the Kawhi options for the most part.
The Spurs need to lure him to leave Memphis, offering less of the max is not the best way.
I guess next Green's deal won't be less than 9M year season, it's likely his last chance to sign a big contract and he'll negotiate aggressively to get that money.
As the guys said here, the bird contract could be some like 105M/5Y next summer, the Spurs'll want a discount and the situation will be the same, he wants the max, the Spurs want a pay cut...they won't reach agreement, won't sign the bird contract.
That's why I think the Spurs'll match the max offer (some 3years-fourth year player option offer) and he'll enter free agency in 2017
Last edited by wildchild; 10-31-2014 at 12:32 AM.
At least with Leonard the things seem clear enough.Perhaps the solution will be a wink-wink agreement on the structure of a deal once he becomes a free agent in 2015.
There is not a wink-wink agreement on wainting, the Spurs don't have an understanding with his agent to let Kawhi enter free agency next summer to re-sign him. Instead, his camp want the max extension, not an agreement on future-contract promise.
It's good to know so fans can't argue "but, but why he's acting like prima donna and leaves the Spurs if they had an understanding..."
If something breaks in the undercurrents, I'm sure TSpence will bring us the knowledge.
ESPN says deal very unlikely to happen: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11...nsion-deadline
Leonard deal by Friday unlikely
There is a strong likelihood that Friday's midnight deadline for contract extensions for first-round picks from the Class of 2011 will pass without a new deal for reigning NBA Finals MVPKawhi Leonard, according to league sources.
Sources told ESPN.com this week that Leonard and the San Antonio Spurs, despite more serious discussions between the parties in advance of the Halloween buzzer, are unlikely to come to terms during this extension window, setting up the 23-year-old to become a restricted free agent in July.
Negotiations, however, do remain alive going into the final day for at least three other prominent 2011 first-rounders: Golden State's Klay Thompson, Minnesota's Ricky Rubio andCleveland's Tristan Thompson.
Leonard has been billed as the Spurs' future face of the franchise for some time -- long before he emerged as the star of San Antonio's five-game destruction of the LeBron James-ledMiami Heat in the 2014 NBA Finals -- and had his agent, Brian Elfus, in San Antonio this week to negotiate with Spurs officials.
But sources say that San Antonio prefers to wait until the offseason to address Leonard's future in the name of maintaining maximum financial flexibility.
That strategy does come with an element of risk, since Leonard is sure to attract max offer sheets of varying contract lengths on July 1, his first day as a restricted free agent. But the Spurs would have the right to match any offer Leonard gets next summer in that scenario and would be able to do so with a better feel about how much longer stalwarts Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili want to keep playing. If the Spurs were to extend Leonard's contract now, and then either Duncan or Ginobili -- or both -- decides to retire, San Antonio's cap space to replace them would be lessened significantly.
A contract before Friday's deadline is thus considered far more likely for Klay Thompson, Rubio and perhaps even Tristan Thompson.
Sources say that the Wolves and Rubio have been in advanced negotiations for the last few weeks that are likely to lead to an extension. Thompson and Golden State, meanwhile, have been in serious talks for some time after the Warriors backed out of long-running Love trade talks with Minnesota this offseason in order to keep Thompson.
Six members of the Class of 2011 already have received extensions: Cleveland's Kyrie Irving, Denver's Kenneth Faried, Orlando's Nikola Vucevic, Charlotte's Kemba Walker andPhoenix Suns twins Markieff and Marcus Morris.
Other well-regarded members of that draft class who appeared unlikely to land deals as of Thursday night, thus heading for restricted free agency, include Oklahoma City's Reggie Jackson, Chicago's Jimmy Butler, Milwaukee's Brandon Knight, New York's Iman Shumpert and Miami's Norris Cole.
According to multiple media reports, Utah and big man Enes Kanter decided Wednesday to back away from the negotiating table to allow Kanter to be a restricted free agent in July. Jazz guard Alec Burks remains eligible for an extension before the deadline.
Last edited by BillMc; 10-31-2014 at 12:25 AM.
Looks like we're going to match the Max offer the Lakers are going to give him next summer.
At least I'm not alone...Sam Amick asks if the Spurs are making a mistake with Leonard.
The structure and length of the contract are key components, especially in an environment like that of the Spurs' where they place such a premium on stability as they forge closer to this unknown future. And while the Spurs have done such masterful work over these last few decades convincing players to sacrifice on the financial front for the greater good, the harsh reality is that they simply can't assume that trend is going to continue.But how long is Leonard willing to play fourth fiddle in this franchise, and what happens if this deal doesn't get done and he spends the season wondering how he'd look in a different uniform? It wouldn't be the first time resentment was born out of these sorts of situations, and rest assured that the relationship – on both sides of this equation – must remain rock-solid if this is going to work for the long haul.http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...pson/18176469/But why not let Leonard know that he's the one to lead them into the post-Duncan days, especially when his incentive for cutting a short-term deal is so evident?
I'd rather the spurs max him out now. Sure, there's a premium that wouldn't be owed if there was an RFA offer to match.
But he's earned it in my eyes with the fmvp. And if the team didn't want to max him, then pop shouldn't have been calling him the face of the future franchise guy the last two years. Because those guys get paid.
That's just a bad take by Amick. Not much else to say about that. No one's said the Spurs are trying to pay Leonard less, just that they aren't giving a max extension to him. Kawhi's max deal will be the fifth they've given out in the past 15 years. They don't always get players to take less money, and they don't seem to mind giving it out.
Amick doesn't seem to understand why the Spurs would be unwilling to give the extension, which speaks to his ignorance on this topic.
Yes, I've always hated Pop doing that. Nothing good was going to come from anointing a player to the media. That is unless Kawhi needed to hear that praise to raise his game. Anyway, Pop's words are exactly why people shouldn't assume this Leonard impasse is about money. No one has any figures that the Spurs want Kawhi to take, and I believe that's because the Spurs haven't offered any. The Spurs will pay Kawhi, just not until after they use their cap space next summer.
Don't max him pop. He is totally worth it though. Do it next year or something.
Well, I think he understands about Spurs cap space and more, but he makes an approach based on the player view and how it could affect the relationship between the team and the player.
I read a lot about cap space but nobody talks about the impact on a young player who is denied the deal he wants -he thinks he earned that deal-, and Amick wrote about it.
No, I don't think Amick understands that. He seems to be assuming that the Spurs want Leonard to take less, hence all the talk about Kawhi feeling like a fourth banana and whatnot. The reality is that no one's reported that the Spurs have even made Leonard an offer, much less one below the max.
Leonard isn't being denied anything. That's why this issue is so absurd. Kawhi will get his money. But he's not so big that the Spurs should ruin their chance to compete to appease his/his agent's desire to get the guarantee now. Amick said nothing about the financial implications of the Spurs giving Kawhi his deal; he just argued on the basis of hometown discounts. He's not speaking to some underplayed issue; he's misreading the situation and sounding uneducated on the subject.I read a lot about cap space but nobody talks about the impact on a young player who is denied the deal he wants -he thinks he earned that deal-, and Amick wrote about it
When you sign with the Spurs, you get additional benefits than most other teams.
-50 win team
-Deep playoff run
-Lots of rest
-Minimum distractions
-Best coach and FO of the NBA
-We take care of our own
I would take 14mil for 4 years if I was Kawhi. Lots of benefits when you play here.
They're not. KL isn't going anywhere.
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/...on-free-agency
You're sure if Leonard would have taken a big pay cut, they wouldn't have extended him?
I think nobody needs Pop's words after last finals, even if he wouldn't have said nothing, people still know after the playoffs that Leonard would be the Spurs future and the face of franchise.
He wants a deal, he doesn't get that deal, that's the player view.
Who knows? That's the point. No one's said the Spurs are asking Kawhi to take a pay cut -- they're just assuming that's what's going on. It's a faulty assumption in my opinion, seeing as there's a much better explanation.
Pop's been saying that long before the Finals. Again, though, I'm not convinced Leonard is good enough to be the guy on a le team. The 2014 Spurs are anomalous in that they had three HoFers and a HoF coach as non-MVPs. Leonard's not likely to have that kind of cast again, especially not if he gets extended.I think nobody needs Pop's words after last finals, even if he wouldn't have said nothing, people still know after the playoffs that Leonard would be the Spurs future and the face of franchise.
He wants the deal now. He gets it later. That's the likely reality.
He's taking a risk for not getting the big payday now. Hopefully that doesn't sour him looking forward.
If he's upset Pop pats him on the ass and says don't worry you'll be taken care of, Leonard says ok...end of story. It's not like the Spurs are dealing with some child like Dwight Howard.
It's a strange situation. The Spurs can promise him that they'll give him the deal he wants next summer, but they can't put that in writing, lest they be subjected to Wolves-like sanctions. So it comes down to how much Kawhi trusts the FO's verbal agreement.
Fortunately you're not Kawhi Leonard, I think he plays better than you.
I don't know nothing about you, instead we know a lot of the kid's life. He isn't precisely a rich boy, he's from Moval, he lost his dad and should secure the future of his mom and his four sisters, so I don't blame him if he wants a big deal, or if he leaves SA because other team pay him better.
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