oh look. A lawsuit filled in Kentucky against a county clerk for refusing to issue

[ChumpDumper]

That was never the request of her lawyers.

It was her wish. Loss.

It's more likely what she really wanted was to make money off of the stunt given her questionable background as a person of faith. She going to get money too...another win for her.

No doubt that is a win, but gheys are marrying there. Lost the war.

Asking not to have to sign her name was a reasonable request.

She never requested that.

There's no reason a specific person should have to sign off on a civil marriage.

Her claim is that her signature is specifically necessary for any marriage in the county to be valid.

If she interferes now she deserves jail time. I suspect she will though just to drum up the controversy and make money off of it.

I have no doubt she will.

[SnakeBoy]

She never requested that.

That was her lawyers claim when this all started...that she just wanted a simple administrative fix so her name would not be on the license.

Mat Staver, head of the Liberty Counsel told ABC News that Davis “has a very strong conscience and she’s just asking for a simple remedy, and that is, remove her name from the certificate and all will be well.”
“That simple remedy has simply been ignored by the court and by the governor and that’s what should have been done,” Staver said. “I think it’s reprehensible that she’s in jail for this when a simple fix could have been easily handled.”

They're moving the goalpost now for publicity.

[ChumpDumper]

That was her lawyers claim when this all started...that she just wanted a simple administrative fix so her name would not be on the license.



They're moving the goalpost now for publicity.

The easiest way to remove her name from the certificates is for her to resign.

[SnakeBoy]

The easiest way to remove her name from the certificates is for her to resign.

They've already removed her name from the licenses.

[Winehole23]

They've already removed her name from the licenses.

Since her name is no longer attached to the licenses, what's the problem? She hasn't signed anything. Her dutiful subs will do it for her.

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The Kim Davis Debacle Reveals a Frightening Truth About a Desperate, Radicalized Christian Right

Rena Lindevaldsen, who works for the Liberty Counsel that is handling Davis’s case, has taken to boldly arguing that

Christians have the right to overthrow the democratically elected government and simply impose their will by fiat. “Whether it's zoning or taxes or marriage or abortion, in those issues, government doesn't have authority to say that these things are appropriate because they're contrary to Scripture,”

Lindevaldsen recently argued in front of Liberty University.

Which is to say that even though the government has declared abortion legal, if you decide you don’t want your neighbors getting abortions, you should be able to declare yourself a God-appointed authority and simply shut it down. If you don’t want to pay taxes, declare yourself a “sovereign citizen.”

Mike Huckabee has been at the frontlines of pushing the claim that Christian conservatives simply have the right to ignore or overturn democracy to impose their will, and not just because he’s been running around Kentucky, trying to get himself on camera as much as possible in support of Davis’s attempt to ban gay marriage by fiat. He’s also been using the campaign trail to argue that the president should be able to simply end rule of law and start ruling like a dictator.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-an...te-radicalized

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Conservatives Freak Out After Fox News’ Shep Smith Mocks Kim Davis’ Hypocrisy

Smith's comments prompted an angry backlash from the right, with the Right Scoop calling him a 'puke.'

“They set this up as a religious play again,” he said. “This is the same crowd that says, ‘We don’t want Sharia law, don’t let them tell us what to do, keep their religion out of our lives and out of our government,’” Smith said,

“This is not unprecedented. They did it when they said black and white people couldn’t marry,” he said, concluding that “haters are gonna hate.”

This prompted an angry backlash from the right. The Right Scoop called Smith a “puke:”

“What a puke. Christians simply want for the government to stay out of our Christian beliefs instead of imprisoning us when our beliefs go against the invented rights of a lawless Supreme Court. And then he calls us hypocrites for not wanting Muslim theocracy in our country, suggesting we want to push our Christian values on the government? Does he know anything about how this country was founded? Has he ever read the Cons ution or the Declaration of Independence? What an idiot.”

Writing for GOPUSA, Cliff Kincaid called Smith’s comments evidence of “anti-Christian bias that has been rearing its ugly head” on Fox News.

He was surprised to see Fox “break its promise to air ‘fair and balanced’ coverage of the issue by permitting Smith to take such a crude stand against Davis,” and said Smith doesn’t know the difference between Christianity and Islam.

http://www.alternet.org/media/conser...avis-hypocrisy

So for you rightwingnuts, Christian Taliban Sharia is OK, but Muslim Taliban Sharia isn't. America! Americans!

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another stupid off Repug Klown

Last night on Fox News’ “The Kelly File,” Ben Carson defended Rowan County, Kentucky, clerk Kim Davis’ decision to prevent her office from issuing marriage licenses because she has religious objections to gay marriage.

Ironically, Carson said that gays are trying to force their “way of life” on Davis: “I don’t actually believe that they have the right to force their way of life upon everybody else, nor would I want to force my way of life upon everybody else.”

Of course, it is actually Davis who is using a public office to impose her religious views on others, and gay couples are only asking that she follow the law.

When host Megyn Kelly asked Carson if he believes that a Muslim county clerk should have a right to “refuse a marriage license to Muslims who want to marry Christians,”

the GOP presidential candidate said that

Christians can cite their religious beliefs to refuse marriage licenses because “this is a Judeo-Christian nation in the sense that a lot of our values and principles are based on our Judeo-Christian faith.”

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ben-carson-christians-can-refuse-do-their-jobs-because-judeo-christian-nation

If you're a Christian or Jew, you can refuse to do your job.

If you're a Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc, you can't refuse.

So the 1st Amendment, for these rightwing assholes, says you can freely practice ONLY Christian, Jewish religions, but not other beliefs (aka, "religious persecution")

[SnakeBoy]

Since her name is no longer attached to the licenses, what's the problem? She hasn't signed anything. Her dutiful subs will do it for her.

Already discussed.

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Oregon Judge Vance Day is currently being investigated for refusing to perform same sex marriages. But according to an ethics commission, that's not all he's done wrong. Among other infractions, the ethics commission alleges that the judge had a framed picture of Hitler in his courthouse.The New York Daily News reports:

Court assistants alleged that the judge put up a picture of Nazi leader Adolf Hitler without consulting anyone else of staff, and refused to take it down when other employees said it made them uncomfortable.

"When his judicial assistant removed the items while Judge Day was on vacation, Judge Day told her that he is a ‘benevolent dictator’ and that she 'works at his pleasure,'" court do ents...read. It is not clear if "benevolent dictator" referred to Hitler or himself

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...s?detail=email

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Watch: Insane Video Presented by Kim Davis' Law Group at Extremist Christian Campus


The lawyers representing Kim Davis, the Rowan County, Kentucky clerk refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, have made their own headlines of late. Attorney Mathew Staver, for one, likened marriage licenses for gays and lesbians to granting "a license to sodomize children or something of that nature."

Staver is founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, a law group that describes itself as devoted to "advancing religious freedom, the sanc y of life, and the family."

In addition to defending government employees who refuse to follow the law, they also organize an annual conference called the "The Awakening," described as "a unique and inspirational God and Country event."

Here is a video aired at one such event at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, that perfectly encapsulates the Christian-persecution complex.

"We laugh now but they'll come after us.

They'll come after our children.

They'll close the net around us while we are playing soccer mom and soccer dad...while we're arguing over so many little things..."

a narrator ominously intones, before rolling footage of terrifying threats to the Christian way of life, such as President Obama and trans people.

Watch below to witness the -on-earth awaiting America's Christian soccer moms and dads.

http://www.alternet.org/watch-insane-video-presented-kim-davis-law-group-extremist-christian-campus?akid=13462.187590.QRTR_J&rd=1&src=newslette r1042191&t=4

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NC county scrambles to provide marriage services after all magistrates refuse to perform same-sex weddings

All four magistrates in North Carolina’s McDowell County have been barred from performing any marriages for six months after they used the state’s religious exemption law to opt out of performing same-sex weddings.
Chief District Judge Randy Pool confirmed to WLOS on Thursday that Hilary Hollified, Thomas Atkinson, Debbie Terrell and Chad Johnson had all taken advantage of the religious exemption law, leaving the county scrambling to find temporary magistrates.

One Rutherford County magistrate told WLOS that he had been driving to McDowell County three times a week trying to cover the needs of both counties.

“Every single one has said they will opt out and won’t do the marriages,” Judge Pool explained. “They have arranged for Rutherford County magistrates to devote ten hours to performing marriages here.”

“They are following the law and cannot perform marriages of any kind for six months,” Pool added. “Just as long as we do ten hours a week which is what the law requires.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/nc-c...e+Raw+Story%29

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Dear Kim, I Got Married While You Were in Jail



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...l?detail=email

[JoeChalupa]

Kim...that name reminds me of another boob.

[CosmicCowboy]

[RandomGuy]

Don't see nuthin'.

[The Reckoning]

republican party becoming a sideshow.

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republican party becoming a sideshow.

is a carnival.

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phobic People Often Have Psychological Issues

people who have strongly negative views of gay people also have higher levels of psychoticism and inappropriate coping mechanisms than those who are accepting of sexuality.

This doesn't mean that phobic people are psychotic; rather, psychoticism is a personality trait marked by hostility, anger and aggression toward others.

But the study does suggest that people who cling to phobic views have some psychological issues

some studies suggesting that people with visceral negative reactions to gays and lesbians often harbor same-sex desires themselves.

Other studies, though, contest that idea, and suggest that phobic people are truly averse to same-sex attraction.

Other factors — such as religiosity, sensitivity to disgust, hypermasculinity and misogyny — seem to play a role in anti-gay beliefs,

Overall, the better the mental health of the person (based on the responses to the questionnaire), the less likely he or she was to be phobic,

High levels of hostility and anger, measured as psychoticism, were also linked to phobia

findings position phobia as a trait more often seen in dysfunctional personalities, but personality isn't the whole story. phobia is a "culture-induced disease,"

They're also studying how the fear of not being "man enough" might influence phobic at udes.

http://www.livescience.com/52146- phobia-personality-traits.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed& utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Livesciencecom+%28LiveScience .com+Science+Headline+Feed%29

" being "man enough" " ?

Our very own TSA is the resident expert on manliness, certainly fellating guns, esp big black ones, and killing stuff is TSA's basis of manliness.

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Kim Davis’ lawyer who compared her to Rosa Parks and MLK now compares her to Abraham Lincoln

Mat Staver — a lawyer from theocratic law firm The Liberty Counsel — said on Sunday that his client, Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis, is like President Abraham Lincoln because of her stand against marriage equality for all Americans.
Staver made the remarks in an appearance on C-SPAN after which a caller said that Davis should do her job or step down.
“Well, she is doing her job quite well,” Staver said. “By the end of this year, she will have saved the taxpayers in Rowan County $1.5 million in her first year as the elected official since 2014, so that’s quite substantial, to be able to do that.”

“Secondly,” he went on, “if we told Abraham Lincoln, ‘Abraham Lincoln, you should just go along with the Dred Scott decision. After all, it is what the racist Chief Justice Taney wrote and it’s the law of the land.’ And yet, Lincoln advocated something different than that and unfortunately because of that Dred Scott decision we had to fight a Civil War. It was a terrible time in our history.”

In the U.S. Supreme Court case Dred Scott v. Sanford, the court ruled that blacks could not be U.S. citizens, whether slaves or free. As such, they could not sue U.S. citizens in federal court in order to obtain their freedom.
The case is held by many to be an embarrassing error by the highest court in the land, with some historians calling it “unquestionably, our court’s worst decision ever.”

Staver and other Davis supporters assert that the Supreme Court’s decision legalizing same-sex marriage on a national level in June is similarly misguided.

Dred Scott was overturned by the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the ratification of the 14th Amendment of the Cons ution, which says that any person born in the U.S. or its territories is automatically an American citizen.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/watc...e+Raw+Story%29

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Liberty Counsel is a non-profit law firm and ministry that provides free legal assistance in defense of "Christian religious liberty, the sanc y of human life, and the traditional family."^[1] Liberty Counsel is headed by attorney Mathew D. Staver, who founded the legal ministry with his wife, Anita, in 1989 and currently serves as president. A close partnership exists between Liberty University, which was founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, and Liberty Counsel; Staver served as Liberty University's law school dean from 2006 to 2014.^[1] In 2004, Liberty Counsel became affiliated with Liberty University/Falwell Ministries and Liberty Counsel opened an office at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia.

Liberty Counsel describes its practice as a First Amendment practice, focused on religious liberties, freedom of speech, church/state issues in public schools and in the public square. Liberty Counsel has been listed as a hate group by theSouthern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Counsel

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Christian (Catholic) Taliban news

CNN Host Hits Santorum On Kim Davis: Americans 'Follow The Law'

“Number one, because the Supreme Court says something, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the law of the land,” Santorum said to Camerota.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-santorum-kim-davis-cnn?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_camp aign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

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Religious "health care", getting the healthcare their bishops, pastors dictate, not medical best practice

Do ‘deeply held’ religious beliefs force doctors to commit malpractice?

Picture this: You wake up far too early one morning because your hand is intensely painful and you don’t know why. When the pain gets worse, you go to the ER. The attending doctor, a gray haired man, examines you, draws blood, and then tells you an unusual flesh eating infection in your finger is putting your health at risk. He recommends amputating the hand immediately before the infection causes more harm. What he doesn’t tell you is that at this early stage the simple injection of a state-of-the art antibiotic would solve the problem. Why the omission? His hospital is managed by a self-described religious healthcare ministry that forbids the use of antibiotics.

Across the U.S., religious healthcare corporations are absorbing once secular and independent hospitals and in the process imposing religious restrictions that sometimes pit standard medical practice against theology.

To the best of my knowledge, no religious system that is licensed to serve the general public forbids the use of antibiotics. But facilities under the direct or indirect control of Catholic bishops are providing maternity care that is tantamount to unwarranted amputation.

Catholic Directives Delay Care, Compel Unnecessary Surgery

Recently a woman was traveling across the Midwest when she developed abdominal pain. She and her husband went to the nearest hospital, where she was diagnosed with a potentially fatal ectopic pregnancy. The doctors recommended immediate surgery to remove the fallopian tube containing the misplaced embryo, a procedure that would reduce by half her future chances of conceiving a child. They failed to mention that a simple injection of Methotrexate could solve the problem, leaving her fertility intact. (In fact, at a secular hospital she found on her smart phone, it subsequently did.) Why the omission?

The Catholic hospital where she got diagnosed was subject to the “Ethical and Religious Directives” of the Catholic bishops, which state, “In case of extrauterine pregnancy, no intervention is morally licit which cons utes a direct abortion.”

According to Catholic moralists, an injection that destroys an ectopic embryo is a direct abortion, while removing the part of a woman’s reproductive system containing the embryo is not. While this may sound strange (or abhorrent) to outsiders, it has its own internal logic, outlined by Father Tad Pacholczyk at the National Catholic Bioethics Center. Catholic ethics ultimately are determined by theologically based perceptions of what actions God approves and doesn’t approve. While compassion does matter, the end goal is to improve the spiritual standing or righteousness of the person performing the action. These theological dictates may or may not align with the questions that govern secular medical ethics and practice: how to minimize harm and suffering or maximize wellbeing while respecting patient autonomy.

In 2010, a pregnant Nicaraguan woman with metastatic cancer was denied treatment because chemotherapy could harm her fetus, which doctors refused to remove. Though many Protestants disagree, Catholic theology treats any product of conception as a fully formed human being, with rights equal to a woman from the moment of conception whether or not there is any possibility of it actually becoming a person. This means that abortion is an inherently bad action, regardless of outcomes. Nicaraguan law, rooted in this theology, prohibits all abortion even when a woman’s life is at stake. In 2012, a 16-year-old Dominican girl also was denied treatment for weeks while doctors debated whether chemotherapy would cons ute an abortion. She eventually miscarried and later died.

Christianity traditionally has regarded women as vessels—vessels for evil and for babies. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety (1 Timothy 2: 13-15). As a consequence, Catholic rules addressing reproduction are particularly convoluted, and sometimes patients pay the price:

A Catholic doctor at a Catholic hospital went against my daughter’s wishes and signed consent to have a hysterectomy because of severe endometriosis. One ovary had already exploded. My daughter had never intended or desired children nor was she in a suitable situation to have a child. She was single, in her late 20s. When she awoke from surgery she learned that the doctor had over-ridden her wishes and consent in an attempt to save her fertility. The operation was botched, leaving my daughter on permanent disability, in pain, with even more health problems than she’d had before. – Comment at Truthout

Religious Directives and Malpractice Law

Secular medical ethics evolved to promote patient welfare and autonomy. As better treatment options become available, providers are expected to keep their skills and knowledge up to date so that they can provide accurate information about the range of options and offer the services most likely to create the best health outcomes for patients. Violation of these norms is considered malpractice.

Medical malpractice can be defined as: “Improper, unskilled, or negligent treatment of a patient by a physician, dentist, nurse, pharmacist, or other healthcare professional.” Whether or not a healthcare provider has provided excellent or unacceptable care depends on the general state of healthcare at the time service is provided.

The critical element is standard of care, which is concerned with the type of medical care that a physician is expected to provide. Until the 1960s the standard of care was traditionally regarded as the customary or usual practice of members of the profession. This standard was referred to as the “locality rule,” because it recognized the custom within a particular geographic area. This rule was criticized for its potential to protect a low standard of care as long as the local medical community embraced it. The locality rule also was seen as a disincentive for the medical community to adopt better practices.

Most states have modified the locality rule to include both an evaluation of the customary practices of local physicians and an examination of national medical standards. Physicians are called to testify as expert witnesses by both sides in medical malpractice trials because the jury is not familiar with the intricacies of medicine. Standards established by medical specialty organizations, such as the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, are often used by these expert witnesses to address the alleged negligent actions of a physician who practices in that specialty. Nonconformance to these standards is evidence of negligence, whereas conformance supports a finding of due care. –Legal Dictionary

The recent case of a young Salvadorian mother named Beatriz offered a graphic example of how religious interference in medical care can force doctor to commit malpractice. Beatriz, who suffers from lupus, was pregnant with a nonviable anencephalic fetus yet was refused an abortion clear through the second trimester, as her condition became increasingly risky. Salvadorian minister of health, Maria Isabel Rodriguez, called her situation a “grave maternal illness with a high probability of deterioration or maternal death.”

“I just want to live,” Beatriz told the press—echoing the sentiments of Savita Halappanavar who died last year after being denied an abortion in Catholic Ireland. Salvadorian doctors were willing to perform the needed abortion, but their hands were tied by laws based in Catholic theology. Finally, at 26 weeks gestation and under international pressure, a Salvadorian court ruled that Beatriz could end the pregnancy—via caesarean section. As in the case of the ectopic pregnancy, Beatriz was offered an invasive surgical procedure rather than the standard treatment which would minimize recovery time and leave her body intact. As best can be determined from news reports, the only reason the doctors had to cut her was to satisfy the Catholic pretense that this was an attempt to deliver a viable baby.

In the wake of Halappanavar’s death and Beatriz’s dangerously substandard care, Marge Berer, founder of the international journal, Reproductive Health Matters, questioned the ability of Catholic-controlled facilities to provide emergency obstetric services and asked whether they should be formally stripped of their right to provide maternity care more broadly. Unfortunately, with Catholic theology encoded as law in many countries and with Catholic healthcare ministries buying up independent care facilities here in the U.S., a woman may have few other options.

If all currently proposed mergers are completed in Washington State, for example, nine counties will have all hospital beds tied to religious ins utions by the end of 2013, including the University of Washington system.

When bishop directives trump science and patient preference, pregnant women are not the only ones at risk.

According to a litany of articles at two watchdog sites,CatholicWatch.org and Mergerwatch.org,the problem of religious interference in health decisions extends far beyond obstetrics and family planning, spanning end of life care, treatment of families, and any drugs remotely derived from embryonic stem cell research.

As medical science offers us more and more ability to manage sexuality, reproduction, body modification, and our dying process, religious dictates will be increasingly at odds with secular standards of care. Doctors working under these mandates will be forced to offer treatments that, by contrast with the best available, can be classed only as malpractice—a pattern that both patients and personal injury attorneys are bound eventually to notice.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/do-d...e+Raw+Story%29

Religions and their pretense, hubris that they know the will of (an imagined) God. ing witch doctors.

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Larry Pratt: Arrest Judge Who Found Kim Davis In Contempt -

Gun Owners of America’s Larry Pratt called last week for the arrest of Judge David Bunning, the Bush-nominated federal judge who held Kentucky clerk Kim Davis in contempt after she repeatedly defied court orders to let her office issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. -

Pratt told Sam Bushman of the far-right “Liberty Roundtable” radio program on Wednesday, “This district court judge merely withdrew his horns, they haven’t been cut off. And we’re not finished until we can cut that district judge Bunning’s horns off.”

“In fact, he’s the one who should be put in jail for violating his oath of office,” Bushman said.

“Thank you!” Pratt responded.

“It’s an assault on the Cons ution,” Pratt added of Bunning’s decision to detain Davis for five days, “it’s something that Joseph Stalin could only have dreamed about, and here we’re doing it to ourselves.

It’s really incredible. We have lawyers like this Judge Bunning that are so ignorant of this American republican system that they don’t seem to know their left hand from their right.”

Bushman added that Bunning didn't “get to execute Kim” only “because we all came to her defense.”

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...davis-contempt

Down the gun fellators' rabbit hole into fantasy land.