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    The master has spoken.

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    Tspence lives!

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    3/15? He's gonna be REALLY old in 3 years.

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    Wow that is terrible. At this rate I have changed my mind on Timmy and Manu, they are doing 2 more years too and so will Bonner.

    Just damn. I though he was a stopgap this season... but maybe Manu retires and he's there to hold Anderson's hand through it all after Manu's retirement...
    Wow you know what? I can't stop being sarcastic about this one. Just damn. Are we even drafting a PG at all..

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    Tspence is joking, guys

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    Miller is our Prigioni, as simple as that. Might work paired with Patty off the bench considering Manu situation at the moment.

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    Miller is our Prigioni, as simple as that. Might work paired with Patty off the bench considering Manu situation at the moment.
    that'll create a lot of size mismatches on the other end. NBA SGs will have field days in the post/shooting over those guys

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    The worst case scenario here is that he ends up being like the late season additions of Charlie Ward or Damon Stoudemire so many years ago. I don't think that Miller can still play, but it's also possible that he's a better choice as a third PG for this team than Ray McCallum was.

    At the very least, as the schedule toughens down the stretch, you can probably give Parker some rest and keep Mills in something close to his normal minutes -- while maintaining your chance to win -- by starting Miller against the mid-range teams the Spurs still have to deal with. If he's able to give you something beyond that (like, say, allowing the Spurs to throw a bit more length at someone like Livingston for spot minutes) it's probably a useful signing. At the very least, it's not likely to have made the Spurs go backwards.

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    The worst case scenario here is that he ends up being like the late season additions of Charlie Ward or Damon Stoudemire so many years ago. I don't think that Miller can still play, but it's also possible that he's a better choice as a third PG for this team than Ray McCallum was.

    At the very least, as the schedule toughens down the stretch, you can probably give Parker some rest and keep Mills in something close to his normal minutes -- while maintaining your chance to win -- by starting Miller against the mid-range teams the Spurs still have to deal with. If he's able to give you something beyond that (like, say, allowing the Spurs to throw a bit more length at someone like Livingston for spot minutes) it's probably a useful signing. At the very least, it's not likely to have made the Spurs go backwards.
    This is more a statement about the lack of potential for McCallum than an endorsement of Millers skillset.

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    I still do not understand this ...

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    This is more a statement about the lack of potential for McCallum than an endorsement of Millers skillset.
    Precisely.

    The book might not be closed on McCallum as a Spur (maybe there's a way to bring him back over the summer if they'd like), but if you're planning for the 2016 stretch run and playoffs, Ray's potential (which at this point seems limited) won't be much help. Miller at least has some savvy to play in big moments. I don't expect that he'll play much after he's initially immersed, but if he gives Parker some breathers down the stretch, he'll be useful here. He may be so completely done that he can't even do that, but given what we've seen of Ray this far, the gamble on Miller for the short term seems sensible (even if it might not improve the overall talent/ability of the roster).

    At this moment, the endgame for this Spurs team is May/June 2016 and not much further. There's an eye toward the future, but only if those players can help win right now.
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    Precisely.

    The book might not be closed on McCallum as a Spur (maybe there's a way to bring him back over the summer if they'd like), but if you're planning for the 2016 stretch run and playoffs, Ray's potential (which at this point seems limited) won't be much help. Miller at least has some savvy to play in big moments. I don't expect that he'll play much after he's initially immersed, but if he gives Parker some breathers down the stretch, he'll be useful here. He may be so completely done that he can't even do that, but given what we've seen of Ray this far, the gamble on Miller for the short term seems sensible (even if it might not improve the overall talent/ability of the roster).

    At this moment, the endgame for this Spurs team is May/June 2016 and not much further. There's an eye toward the future, but only if those players can help win right now.
    Yes to all of this. I'll add that the Spurs probably feel they can't afford to waste a PG spot on a project (again especially with low upside) when they may well need that player to play in two-PG lineups. All four of the team's projected playoff opponents (Portland, OKC, GS and CLE) run either two PGs or a PG and a combo-guard pretty often. The Spurs may need to play Parker and Mills more than they usually do, so having a third guy who can play in real situations helps with that.

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    The Spurs may need to play Parker and Mills more than they usually do, so having a third guy who can play in real situations helps with that.
    I hadn't considered that but agree.

    I also like the term "real situations." He doesn't have to play any significant playoff minutes, really, to be helpful, but the notion that he can be helpful in the regular season and a more viable option in the playoffs than McCallum justifies the move.

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    I hadn't considered that but agree.

    I also like the term "real situations." He doesn't have to play any significant playoff minutes, really, to be helpful, but the notion that he can be helpful in the regular season and a more viable option in the playoffs than McCallum justifies the move.
    What would really justify the move is if McCallum gets claimed off waivers. Spurs would save more than a million bucks that way.

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    What would really justify the move is if McCallum gets claimed off waivers. Spurs would save more than a million bucks that way.
    What about the reported terms of the contract? That seems excessive to me. Is the TSpence a troll? I don't go far back here I don't know that dude.

    I think 3/15 is too much for a dude this old. It might end up being just a 2 yr contract since 3rd is a team option, but still. Our cap situation continues to tighten for next season.

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    What about the reported terms of the contract? That seems excessive to me. Is the TSpence a troll? I don't go far back here I don't know that dude.

    I think 3/15 is too much for a dude this old. It might end up being just a 2 yr contract since 3rd is a team option, but still. Our cap situation continues to tighten for next season.
    Tspence is a troll, but that was ElNono trolling. Spurs can't offer anything more than a pro-rated portion of the vet minimum.

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    Is the TSpence a troll?
    How adorable. It's been a long time since we've had that level of innocence here.

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    How adorable. It's been a long time since we've had that level of innocence here.
    apparently the he's been on holiday.
    Just made his introduction fir the new forum members I guess .

    By the way, thank Elnono.

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    Tspence is a troll, but that was ElNono trolling. Spurs can't offer anything more than a pro-rated portion of the vet minimum.
    thanks.
    I am rather ignorant on contract issues thus my innocent question. What a relief!

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    I doubt people actually care enough about andre ing Miller to have that opinion

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    I doubt people actually care enough about andre ing Miller to have that opinion
    What are you talking about. That thought keeps me awake at night sometimes.

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    I doubt people actually care enough about andre ing Miller to have that opinion


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