Red Planet of Derrick White

[J_Paco]

are people really disputing that white is currently better than murray?

Yeah, the idiots that can't accept both guys on the squad. I wonder if Denver fans have stupid arguments about who is better between Jamal Murray, Gary Harris & Malik Beasley?
Or (like a rational, thoughtful fan) they are happy to have trio of talented, young guards with upside?

You know, like the Spurs could have next year with DeJounte, Derrick & Lonnie.....

Nope, let's waste time & energy on who someone (on the internet) perceives as the "better" player....

And of course a healthy, active player is better than an injured player.....

[BillMc]

Yeah, the idiots that can't accept both guys on the squad. I wonder if Denver fans have stupid arguments about who is better between Jamal Murray, Gary Harris & Malik Beasley?
Or (like a rational, thoughtful fan) they are happy to have trio of talented, young guards with upside?

You know, like the Spurs could have next year with DeJounte, Derrick & Lonnie.....

Nope, let's waste time & energy on who someone (on the internet) perceives as the "better" player....

And of course a healthy, active player is better than an injured player.....

Absolutely agree with your sentiment that it is good to have all these young guards. But, it is natural to wonder (and discuss on a team forum) how they will fit together. Especially since we've seen so little of White and Murray together before. Last year, White was mainly in the Dleague, this year Murray is out.

So, the natural questions are:

1) Can they play together in the starting lineup?

And, if not, then...

2) Who should go to the bench?

Nothing wrong, in my view, with having those discussions on a site made for such debates.

[TimmyBuckets]

Derozan is ball heavy, then there's White who makes plays with the ball, and Murray who was being groomed as PG of the future. Usage-wise, idk how all 3 can play together, but I would still love to see them in the same lineup just for the defense alone.

[J_Paco]

Absolutely agree with your sentiment that it is good to have all these young guards. But, it is natural to wonder (and discuss on a team forum) how they will fit together. Especially since we've seen so little of White and Murray together before. Last year, White was mainly in the Dleague, this year Murray is out.

So, the natural questions are:

1) Can they play together in the starting lineup?

And, if not, then...

2) Who should go to the bench?

Nothing wrong, in my view, with having those discussions on a site made for such debates.

That isn't what is being argued. These people are attempting to start a Manu vs. Tony type fan "rivalry." Which is completely silly, especially when both White and Murray (to a lesser extent) have the physical profile to player either the 1 or 2.

Lonnie is the only true SG, but even he seems to have some potential combo guard skills.

I'm more interested in what happens with all the congestion at the two guard spots. Will someone be traded? Can Lonnie ascend past Marco, Patty & Bryn in the guard rotation?

Will Demar remain a swingman splitting time between SG & SF?

White and Murray have already proven, even if only defensively, that they are NBA caliber guards.

[Mugen]

I think Derozan is firmly a 3 at this point of his career and with the Spurs (though 2 and 3 in the system are pretty interchangeable).....

Barring anything crazy this offseason and any big injuries before the start of next season, I think the following will hold true:
-Derozan and Lamarcus are locked in for the SL. I also think Derrick has played his way into being a lock at starting one of the guard spots.
-That leaves Bryn and Jakob's spots up for grabs IMO.
-Assuming Dejounte is healthy and continues to show progress on his outside shot, I think he should start. Having him start will also minimize the need for Jakob to start as perimeter D should be pretty stout. If Gay is re-signed, we'd be looking at: Murray/White/Derozan/Gay/LMA.....not bad tbh.

I do think that either Bryn or Marco will have to be shipped out to make room for Lonnie. If Lonnie isn't seeing regular minutes by next season, I think that's very bad news for the org because his ceiling is so much higher than Bryn's (what we are seeing from Bryn this last 2 weeks is his ceiling IMO). Marco is on the last year of his deal next season and he won't be hard to move since shooting is something pretty much every team needs.

I'm hoping they can package the first rounders + Marco to move up 3-4 spots in the draft if they like somebody enough. Assuming they re-sign Rudy Gay, we're probably looking at the main rotation of:

SL: Murray / White / Derozan / Gay / LMA
Bench: Patty / Forbes / Walker / Bertans / Poetl / 1st Round combo forward

Depending on how things shake out with the rest of the West teams in the offseason, that team is probably a Top 4-5 seed. Higher if Dejounte/White/Walker take pretty big leaps in their game...

[exstatic]

That isn't what is being argued. These people are attempting to start a Manu vs. Tony type fan "rivalry." Which is completely silly, especially when both White and Murray (to a lesser extent) have the physical profile to player either the 1 or 2.

Lonnie is the only true SG, but even he seems to have some potential combo guard skills.

I'm more interested in what happens with all the congestion at the two guard spots. Will someone be traded? Can Lonnie ascend past Marco, Patty & Bryn in the guard rotation?

Will Demar remain a swingman splitting time between SG & SF?

White and Murray have already proven, even if only defensively, that they are NBA caliber guards.

DeMar played 75% of his minutes at SF this year, according to bbref. White is already a good two way player. DJ really started to blossom towards the end of the year last season, and I can't wait to see his shot, and the two of them paired in the back court. They're going to play holy with teams like Portland and Denver, who rely heavily on guard play to score.

[RC_Drunkford]

It will be a luxury to have White and Murray. That means we got a true PG out there that can defend for the entire 48 minutes as well as both playing together and locking down opposing back courts. No more Patty Mills running around like a headless chicken. I also expect the Spurs to add a 3-and-D SF with the MLE

[spurraider21]

lol yes

Yeah, the idiots that can't accept both guys on the squad. I wonder if Denver fans have stupid arguments about who is better between Jamal Murray, Gary Harris & Malik Beasley?
Or (like a rational, thoughtful fan) they are happy to have trio of talented, young guards with upside?

You know, like the Spurs could have next year with DeJounte, Derrick & Lonnie.....

Nope, let's waste time & energy on who someone (on the internet) perceives as the "better" player....

And of course a healthy, active player is better than an injured player.....

which posters, specifically?

[spurraider21]

I think Derozan is firmly a 3 at this point of his career and with the Spurs (though 2 and 3 in the system are pretty interchangeable).....

Barring anything crazy this offseason and any big injuries before the start of next season, I think the following will hold true:
-Derozan and Lamarcus are locked in for the SL. I also think Derrick has played his way into being a lock at starting one of the guard spots.
-That leaves Bryn and Jakob's spots up for grabs IMO.
-Assuming Dejounte is healthy and continues to show progress on his outside shot, I think he should start. Having him start will also minimize the need for Jakob to start as perimeter D should be pretty stout. If Gay is re-signed, we'd be looking at: Murray/White/Derozan/Gay/LMA.....not bad tbh.

I do think that either Bryn or Marco will have to be shipped out to make room for Lonnie. If Lonnie isn't seeing regular minutes by next season, I think that's very bad news for the org because his ceiling is so much higher than Bryn's (what we are seeing from Bryn this last 2 weeks is his ceiling IMO). Marco is on the last year of his deal next season and he won't be hard to move since shooting is something pretty much every team needs.

I'm hoping they can package the first rounders + Marco to move up 3-4 spots in the draft if they like somebody enough. Assuming they re-sign Rudy Gay, we're probably looking at the main rotation of:

SL: Murray / White / Derozan / Gay / LMA
Bench: Patty / Forbes / Walker / Bertans / Poetl / 1st Round combo forward

Depending on how things shake out with the rest of the West teams in the offseason, that team is probably a Top 4-5 seed. Higher if Dejounte/White/Walker take pretty big leaps in their game...

i think a lot of this is true. as much as i like murray (and think that in a vacuum, he and white CAN coexist in the starting unit), i dont know if a SL with murray and derozan will ever work. but hey, if they can figure it out, the sky is the limit.

i think given the options of moving marco/forbes, it absolutely makes more sense to move marco. they're both on the last years of their deals... forbes could be a piece on this team going forward, as a backup combo guard. we saw him play PG early in the season and not himself, and we know he's a capable scorer at the 2 (just being asked to play too big a role right now). his presence is just complicated by mills, because they're quite redundant.

[Mugen]

Yeah, you just have to hope that either DWhite or Dejounte becomes a damn good 3pt shooter. Obviously, you put your money on Derrick at this point but Murray showed some improvement already in the preseason...

If those two can coexist, and even thrive, while both taking another step forward in their progression...well then you might have something...especially if Durant leaves the Warriors tbh.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, you just have to hope that either DWhite or Dejounte becomes a damn good 3pt shooter. Obviously, you put your money on Derrick at this point but Murray showed some improvement already in the preseason...

If those two can coexist, and even thrive, while both taking another step forward in their progression...well then you might have something...especially if Durant leaves the Warriors tbh.

white is good enough to at least be a threat if left alone. its really dejounte/derozan thats the issue. one of them needs to be able to shoot. at this point we're banking on murray between those 2 tbh, which is a scary thought. another reason why the kawhi saga was so frustrating. murray/white/kawhi would have easily worked and have been great on both sides of the ball

[Mugen]

white is good enough to at least be a threat if left alone. its really dejounte/derozan thats the issue. one of them needs to be able to shoot. at this point we're banking on murray between those 2 tbh, which is a scary thought. another reason why the kawhi saga was so frustrating. murray/white/kawhi would have easily worked and have been great on both sides of the ball

Replace Derozan and Jakob with Nephew and Danny and the Spurs are probably ringing next year tbh

[exstatic]

Yeah, you just have to hope that either DWhite or Dejounte becomes a damn good 3pt shooter. Obviously, you put your money on Derrick at this point but Murray showed some improvement already in the preseason...

If those two can coexist, and even thrive, while both taking another step forward in their progression...well then you might have something...especially if Durant leaves the Warriors tbh.

White's already a pretty damn good catch and shoot option. He doesn't do it off the bounce, yet, though. That's a much harder shot.

[Mugen]

White's already a pretty damn good catch and shoot option. He doesn't do it off the bounce, yet, though. That's a much harder shot.

Haven't looked at the numbers but he'll need to be 40+ % if Murray/White/Derozan is going to work tbh.

[exstatic]

Haven't looked at the numbers but he'll need to be 40+ % if Murray/White/Derozan is going to work tbh.

Nah. Your real heavy hitters for 3G% come off the bench, like now. If he can hit his career mark of 36%, especially if he can hit from above the break, the lineup can work.

[Mugen]

Nah. Your real heavy hitters for 3G% come off the bench, like now. If he can hit his career mark of 36%, especially if he can hit from above the break, the lineup can work.

Doubt it. Unless you start Davis next to Aldridge.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Replace Derozan and Jakob with Nephew and Danny and the Spurs are probably ringing next year tbh

question is will lma put in the effort, or he going cry about touches again?

[GreekSpursfan]

Replace Derozan and Jakob with Nephew and Danny and the Spurs are probably ringing next year tbh

Who does uncle Dennis replace?

[Kobe'sAchilles]

which posters, specifically?

SpurPadre for some reason thinks White is a scrub who can't do anything better than DJ.

[TDMVPDPOY]

SpurPadre for some reason thinks White is a scrub who can't do anything better than DJ.

his a enrique fan who took the wrong scrub to support, now that scrub is busy being a instagram kent, while the other who has put in work, working his up the rotation into the starting job

[CGD]

white is good enough to at least be a threat if left alone. its really dejounte/derozan thats the issue. one of them needs to be able to shoot. at this point we're banking on murray between those 2 tbh, which is a scary thought. another reason why the kawhi saga was so frustrating. murray/white/kawhi would have easily worked and have been great on both sides of the ball

This is so true. Unless Murray really took a leap forward with his three ball, the spacing will be challenged. They might be able to get away with it if Bert starts, but then that is a lot of pressure on the guards to keep the D in check.

[spurraider21]

This is so true. Unless Murray really took a leap forward with his three ball, the spacing will be challenged. They might be able to get away with it if Bert starts, but then that is a lot of pressure on the guards to keep the D in check.

i actually think this is the way to go, and i've said on more than one occasion that you'd have to swap gay/poeltl for bertans to make that unit work.

as for adding pressure on the guards, i mean i guess thats the point of having dejounte/white in the backcourt. the defensive potential.

[UZER]

I actually prefer players to keep their anger down and their look-at-me show-business celebrations off, but that where the NBA business has descended to.

TBF, that was just pure emotion in the moment. It was a big moment for him playing his first significant minutes in a playoff game. He’s normally very calm and composed.

Look-at-me was the other dude who was dancing around on the missed dunk and his teammates pushing him around like did something.

[Slippy]

Ya it wasnt a stare down like most dunkers like to do. He looked away and got excited about it.

The great White . You are the man.

[DAF86]

Doubt it. Unless you start Davis next to Aldridge.

Well, if you want to have White, Murray, DeRozan and Aldridge all together as starters, the other starter needs to be Bertans almost by default.