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    Anyone have a link to the steal?

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    When derozan isn’t dominating the ball on offense, Spurs are pretty good. His usage rate is way to high, way too high

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    Not a superstar, just plays for Boston.
    Huh? Makes no sense. Dude is a legit player. Not sure what Boston has to do with it.

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    Great play but weird game Murray. A lot of driving and kicking without much results, what's the point if he didn't even bother to look for the rim and wasn't necessarily getting teammates open shots.
    Yeah Murray offense is probably always going to be up and down because he goes through stretches where he plays to fast and out of control. But guess what ? So does virtually every other 24 year old guard in the nba. So not going to fault him for that.

    Defensively dude is electric and makes game altering / game winning plays. Him and Vassel, if they stay healthy, are going to go down as one of the all time great defensive duo's. I thought it couldn't possibly get better than Danny and Kawhi when it came to perimeter defense, but I might be wrong, because Dejounte and Vassel have flashed athleticism that Danny never had.

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    Thx!

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    i .Ike how Kemba was goin to try to flop that pick then just gave up

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    I am confused to why pop keeps putting Lonnie on to the other teams best player each game lol
    Thought Walker defended Tatum beautifully in this game. I don't think the Spurs' defense would've worked nearly as well had they put Johnson on him.

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    Love the delayed scream after the dunk L M A O

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    I think it's a huge myth that Johnson has been this really good defender this year. I think he's gotten some hard assignments and shouldn't be ashamed of the results, but he's nowhere near a stopper. Keldon is more of a chaos-initiator, and Murray is an off-ball guy (though yes that steal was awesome), Lonnie may as well be the man-guy. Sure, he gives up size in a lot of match-ups with wings. But he'll have to learn to compensate for it like Danny Green did.

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    Really hope vassell doesn’t lose his minutes when white is back

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    I think it's a huge myth that Johnson has been this really good defender this year. I think he's gotten some hard assignments and shouldn't be ashamed of the results, but he's nowhere near a stopper. Keldon is more of a chaos-initiator, and Murray is an off-ball guy (though yes that steal was awesome), Lonnie may as well be the man-guy. Sure, he gives up size in a lot of match-ups with wings. But he'll have to learn to compensate for it like Danny Green did.
    No one is a complete stopper these days. But I can for sure recall more times Keldon made a key man to man defensive play than I have seen Lonnie ever do anything special (on defense). Keldon has had those defensive moments, Lonnie hasn't. I'm not sure why I'm taking this bait though, I see what you're doing because you're a fan of Lonnie and you have to find a way to shift the mud throwing...

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    No one is a complete stopper these days. But I can for sure recall more times Keldon made a key man to man defensive play than I have seen Lonnie ever do anything special (on defense). Keldon has had those defensive moments, Lonnie hasn't. I'm not sure why I'm taking this bait though, I see what you're doing because you're a fan of Lonnie and you have to find a way to shift the blame...
    Wait.... I thought Chinook wanted to trade Lonnie? Am I wrong?

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    Terrible win. Smh

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    Wait.... I thought Chinook wanted to trade Lonnie? Am I wrong?
    His schtick is "evening" out the highs and lows, if you get what I mean... Like if I say, the center did REALLY good! He'll come in and say "No, the shooting guard did really well..."

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    Sometimes it draws the defense in. The zone was making it ineffective. Murray had a solid game, but I agree could have been better.
    His drive and kick game has been good this season but he showed absolutely no interest in getting to the rim to actually score. If teams assume that your going to drive just to pass then it becomes more predictable. He did a lot of that tonight.

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    Seems this is the reason why:



    Put your weakest defender on the best creator so that overhelp can come.
    You ccant be this blind.. lonnie was left on a island against Tatum often. The spurs lived with it and ddidnt even send a double in the post to help out lonnie.

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    Probably to keep him engaged in the game so he won't just "float" on offense.
    This makes the most sense.

    Great win.. Lamarcus with his outside shooting opened the game for the spurs by the 2nd. Despite the TOs spurs team defense got enought stops to seal the win in the 4th.

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    No one is a complete stopper these days. But I can for sure recall more times Keldon made a key man to man defensive play than I have seen Lonnie ever do anything special (on defense). Keldon has had those defensive moments, Lonnie hasn't. I'm not sure why I'm taking this bait though, I see what you're doing because you're a fan of Lonnie and you have to find a way to shift the mud throwing...
    Having impact plays is exactly not the same thing as being a lock-down defender. Those plays often come from gambling, and those gambles come with occasional losses. The ratio of wins to losses can certainly be on the side of a defender, but that is not the same thing as blunting a player's effectiveness up and down the court. You can look at the NFL for a clearer example. A guy can get a lot of interceptions while not being a shut-down corner, because QBs have to keep throwing at the corner's man. They won't do that unless they feel like they can win the match-up.

    Anyways, I didn't say anything about Walker being better than Johnson as a player or whatever. I am answering the question as to why Pop using Walker as the designated defender for wings over Johnson as often as he does. It's because despite the reputation from the first few games, Johnson isn't an elite iso defender and because out of all the perimeter players who aren't DeRozan, Walker makes the most sense as the designated man-defender. Johnson causes chaos; Murray causes turnovers. Both of those things happen best when they are not charged with being the designated guy. If Walker were replaced by another player, that player would also have to be the designated man-defender. Hence why Vassell came in for Walker rather than Mills in the first half. The Spurs' scheme works best with Walker as the guy holding the shield while Johnson and Murray stab folks from behind it. When we're talking about smalls, Johnson hasn't shone himself to be a superior defender to the extent that Pop should change his scheme. Tonight was a great example for how well it can work. Folks focusing on the times Tatum overcame Walker doesn't change how great of an outing it was for the Spurs' defense as a whole.

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    Yeah Murray offense is probably always going to be up and down because he goes through stretches where he plays to fast and out of control. But guess what ? So does virtually every other 24 year old guard in the nba. So not going to fault him for that.

    Defensively dude is electric and makes game altering / game winning plays. Him and Vassel, if they stay healthy, are going to go down as one of the all time great defensive duo's. I thought it couldn't possibly get better than Danny and Kawhi when it came to perimeter defense, but I might be wrong, because Dejounte and Vassel have flashed athleticism that Danny never had.
    Its not a case of him being up and down, per say, it was more about his lack of aggression in scoring the ball. It was just odd. He drive, immediately pass, and his the recipient of the pass wasn't really open so they would often just pass it or reset. He could've been more assertive tonight. Played like Lonnie often plays.

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    Kemba Walker lmao

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    Wait.... I thought Chinook wanted to trade Lonnie? Am I wrong?
    Wait, I thought I wanted to trade Murray...

    I'm like the high priest of the Church of Walker. I definitely don't want to trade him in a vacuum. But I think the most important thing about the Spurs' path toward building a contender is making a plan and executing it. They need blue-chippers, and if it costs Walker to get one, then it does. I'd rather it be Murray or even White since Derrick can't stay healthy. But if the team thinks White, Murray and Johnson are the keepers, for example, then I'd rather them make a move with Walker than just keep re-signing anyone decent and be a 10th seed for years while also having a full payroll.

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    No one is a complete stopper these days. But I can for sure recall more times Keldon made a key man to man defensive play than I have seen Lonnie ever do anything special (on defense). Keldon has had those defensive moments, Lonnie hasn't. I'm not sure why I'm taking this bait though, I see what you're doing because you're a fan of Lonnie and you have to find a way to shift the mud throwing...
    Not arguing any way but Keldons so called man on man moments have been cause he’s just got a massive torso. Which is no knock, I think the dude is a stud. It just helps his stance a lot. Thing is Hes a terrible team defender. Pretty sure he failed man, you, ball 101.

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    Not arguing any way but Keldons so called man on man moments have been cause he’s just got a massive torso. Which is no knock, I think the dude is a stud. It just helps his stance a lot. Thing is Hes a terrible team defender. Pretty sure he failed man, you, ball 101.
    The comparison being made was man to man defense between Lonnie and Keldon. I agree Keldon's team defense has been bad.

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