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    Yeah he is.

    Plenty of film of guys blowing right by . He's too slow to keep up with quicker players.

    He's so bad teams game planned to attack him on 1 on 1 isolation.

    Also struggles in self creation on offense struggles to gain separation off the dribble. Hawkins is better shooting off the dribble and quicker to get himself open with movement.

    is the best catch and shoot shooter in this draft.
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    A Harden (minus the chokig) to Wemby's Embiid then. The point is, we need an explosive point of attack PG that can put points on the board and isn't jumpshooting challenged.
    With our PG first of all we need someone who could set Wemby in the p&r and help make him a 30+ppg guy, and set the tone defensively... and of course you go after Black only if you believe in him developing a reliable 3 point shot to kepp the defense honest

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    With our PG first of all we need someone who could set Wemby in the p&r and help make him a 30+ppg guy, and set the tone defensively... and of course you go after Black only if you believe in him developing a reliable 3 point shot to kepp the defense honest
    And who's gonna be the dynamic perimeter scorer/playmaker? Keldon and Vassell aren't that, at least for now.

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    And who's gonna be the dynamic perimeter scorer/playmaker? Keldon and Vassell aren't that, at least for now.
    You'll have time and cap space to find one

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    I don’t see the obsession to get a high caliber PG at this stage. First, the spurs are clearly building a position less team, even before wemby was for ours to take. Players like sochan, Jones, Vassell, collins, Manu, can all read and pass relatively well, especially for their positions. Would it be great to have a star PG? Of course! But it’s not a dire necessity.

    Secondly, even if we were to get a star PG, we don’t necessarily get that this draft. To think a star point would drop to a mid first is mostly wishful thinking. I’m sure it could be done but it’s not likely to happen.

    Also, wemby is such a unique offensive talent that we can’t really rely on a traditional team build. As much as his size gives him an advantage on the court, he also requires a lot of room to roam. I’m not sure how the offensive sets would be constructed but it could become congested with players getting into each others ways if spacing is not pristine. Outside shooting is a must (which I get why people wants to replace Jones) but basketball iq to get to the right spots and when to shoot vs when to pass is of more importance.

    Overall, spurs have many ways to fill the PG need with all the future picks and cap room, which allows them use it straight up or involved in a trade. Moving up in this draft is only one of many ways.

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    I would think Utah would be up for swapping 28 for Spurs 33 in the second round. They already have two higher first round picks. Spurs probably toss in another future second rounder to make it happen. Just not sure if there is a player worth moving up in that range on draft day.
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    Sleeper with speed and can score. Little bit of a head case and may fall to a 1st that Spurs can get........ Nick Smith Jr.

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    Sleeper with speed and can score. Little bit of a head case and may fall to a 1st that Spurs can get........ Nick Smith Jr.
    Nah, he’s just bad. Of the top 100 RSCI every year, half of them bust out, even some of the really high ones like NSJ.

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    Yeah he is.

    Plenty of film of guys blowing right by . He's too slow to keep up with quicker players.

    He's so bad teams game planned to attack him on 1 on 1 isolation.

    Also struggles in self creation on offense struggles to gain separation off the dribble. Hawkins is better shooting off the dribble and quicker to get himself open with movement.

    is the best catch and shoot shooter in this draft.
    You're just wrong, by a wide margin, but you do you ..

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    Sleeper with speed and can score. Little bit of a head case and may fall to a 1st that Spurs can get........ Nick Smith Jr.
    I agree... I see him as a PG at this level. Boom or bust prospect with a very small sample size and almost no sample size playing in his future position....

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    About the gradey debate i was not impressed by his tournament but i still think he could be a really good role player. I see him as a good end of the lottery pick or mid first round.

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    About the gradey debate i was not impressed by his tournament but i still think he could be a really good role player. I see him as a good end of the lottery pick or mid first round.
    I think he's going top 10...pretty confident of that...however, I see him as a high end role player too. ...pair him with two other 'star' types and he'll be very valuable.

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    I think he's going top 10...pretty confident of that...however, I see him as a high end role player too. ...pair him with two other 'star' types and he'll be very valuable.
    seems to me to have one of the highest floors of any player outside of the Top 3 (who also have high ceilings - and I do think Scoot and Miller have pretty high floors). He could be a pretty valuable piece on a team like Dallas or even Indianapolis.

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    You'll have time and cap space to find one
    Then why make a move to draft Anthony Black? If you are willing to give up assets to move up in the draft it is because you think Black will be their starting PG of the future. That seems like the opposite of allowing yourself the time and cap space to figure out the PG position.

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    Then why make a move to draft Anthony Black? If you are willing to give up assets to move up in the draft it is because you think Black will be their starting PG of the future. That seems like the opposite of allowing yourself the time and cap space to figure out the PG position.
    Not even just the starting PG, but one hopes that they think he will be a future star. There’s always next year to get their point guard of the future tbh (and I believe that’s the position the second or third star has to come from)

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    James Ham: Continue to hear rumors that the San Antonio Spurs and Charlotte Hornets are being added to the California Classic in Sacramento in early July. Nothing confirmed yet, but could get interesting with Spurs and Hornets owning picks No. 1 and No. 2.
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    I don’t see the obsession to get a high caliber PG at this stage. First, the spurs are clearly building a position less team, even before wemby was for ours to take. Players like sochan, Jones, Vassell, collins, Manu, can all read and pass relatively well, especially for their positions. Would it be great to have a star PG? Of course! But it’s not a dire necessity.

    Secondly, even if we were to get a star PG, we don’t necessarily get that this draft. To think a star point would drop to a mid first is mostly wishful thinking. I’m sure it could be done but it’s not likely to happen.

    Also, wemby is such a unique offensive talent that we can’t really rely on a traditional team build. As much as his size gives him an advantage on the court, he also requires a lot of room to roam. I’m not sure how the offensive sets would be constructed but it could become congested with players getting into each others ways if spacing is not pristine. Outside shooting is a must (which I get why people wants to replace Jones) but basketball iq to get to the right spots and when to shoot vs when to pass is of more importance.

    Overall, spurs have many ways to fill the PG need with all the future picks and cap room, which allows them use it straight up or involved in a trade. Moving up in this draft is only one of many ways.
    To me it's because there could be a special talent there. If the Spurs are aiming for another pick in the 6-12 range, I think it's because they see a particular talent who is either a PG or a shooter, and that player is either Black or . Otherwise, there are players who the team does not really need (lots of PFs) or PGs who I think you can sort of find most drafts. Not to say those PGs might pop or not, just their profiles aren't that uncommon.

    I do think the team can go with Tre Jones as the PG, with Graham and Wesley as backups, and other players filling in. I don't think ideas of Sochan running point are founded. You don't want him defending quicker perimeter players fulltime.

    What appeals to me about Anthony Black is that he's the center of a Venn diagram with high-level defense, high-level playmaking, and high-level BB IQ. He might be the best perimter defender in the class, he's among the best playmakers, and he might be among the smartest players. He also happens to be 6'7". Does he have flaws? Absolutely. We may be looking at a future lineup of Black-Vassell-Sochan-Wembanyama-Collins where two of those players are iffy from deep. He also needs to clean up and improve execution, etc., but he's only nineteen.

    However, my big vision here is defense. We get destroyed by good perimeter players going off. We get wrecked on bad rotations. With the above lineup we suddenly have a defense that can be really pesky, effective, both defend the rim and turn the ball over without gambling. Tbh, a defense based on Sohan-Black-Wemby could be murder on teams. We also have a team that's dangerous attacking from a lot of different spots and angles. I think Black is the third best player in the draft.

    Anyway.

    The other player that consistently appeals is Bufkin. He's more of a combo guard, but he's available later and if the opportunity arises, I'd pounce. I like his toughness and his interviews show a maturity and understanding of basketball that's pretty impressive. I think he's a bit of a mini-Haliburton. But he doesn't seem as completely unique as Black is.

    Not to say Black is a can't-miss. I can see him drafted to the wrong team and be completely wasted.

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    https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ve-Up-In-Draft
    The Indiana Pacers, who hold three picks in the first round of the draft, are reportedly looking at trading up. Indiana is looking into packaging the #7, #26 and #29 picks together to move up in the first round.
    Not enough to move up, but maybe if they add something else... I'd say they'd do that if they're trying to leapfrog Detroit for Cam Whitmore.
    I agree... I see him as a PG at this level. Boom or bust prospect with a very small sample size and almost no sample size playing in his future position....
    Nick Smith Jr's "boom or bust": 1% boom 99% bust

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    https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ve-Up-In-Draft

    Not enough to move up, but maybe if they add something else... I'd say they'd do that if they're trying to leapfrog Detroit for Cam Whitmore.

    Nick Smith Jr's "boom or bust": 1% boom 99% bust
    Not a fan huh? Lol

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    Player that i like in the late first round is Amary Bailey, and if the experiment of making Sochan a PG would work, Bailey could be the perfect combo guard to play longside him

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    To Magic: 24th pick (Kings), Raptors '24 1st, Bassey or Wesley

    To Kings: Okeke

    To Spurs: 11th pick (Magic), Holmes

    I don't know that I'd do this, but if they're enamored enough with at least one of the combo guards projected to be available in the late lottery, this might work.

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