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GOOD ONE. THAT'S ALL YOU CAN COME UP WITH? YOU DISAPPOINT ME. OH WELL. NICE TRY. THE BIBLE IS THE BIBLE. BOTH NEW AND OLD.
alright meet me in rockport
we'll fight
GOOD ONE. THAT'S ALL YOU CAN COME UP WITH? YOU DISAPPOINT ME. OH WELL. NICE TRY. THE BIBLE IS THE BIBLE. BOTH NEW AND OLD.
do you really not see anything creepy about olsteens church?
Seems like what you need is a hug... go look for CBF.
That's all that needed to be said. It's odd how often Christians want to dismiss what Christ taught when it suits them. Maybe he should've talked about gays and abortion more.
maybe he really does have a higher profile/stronger following around these parts
but that church is right out of the twilight zone
except they couldnt have made an espisode because a venue like that did not exist
WASN'T JESUS A JEW? YES
DIDN'T THE PROPHETS SPEAK OF JESUS? YES
AS A BOY DIDN'T JESUS SIT WITH THE LEADERS OF THE CHURCH AND ALSO TEACH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT? YES
YOU REALLY CAN'T ARGUE WITH THE BIBLE. WELL, YOU CAN, BUT YOU WON'T SUCCEED.
I use it for suggestions on how to treat my slaves
I GUESS THE CIRCUS IS IN TOWN. MOOKIE IS IN ALL THREE RINGS AT THE SAME TIME FOLKS.
My dad is a Pastor and makes about 1/6th, if not less, of your annual salary...
Should we label you a hoarding materialistic man??
Before you ask... I just called him to make sure he wasn't going on a ski trip.
Instead I found out he was on his way to Mexico to hand out "warm covers" to the poor, and Christmas gifts to orphans at an orphanage our church helps out.... Currently there is about 1500 dollars in the church's bank account (enough for next month's bills).
You must realize that by criticizing the ministry you are lumping people such as my father into a much bigger bowl... You are allowing others to make blanket statements for people they have never met... I just thought you should know that.
I have not criticized all ministries.
No... but you have given borderline church haters more of a 'reason' to justify their hatred.
People tend to remember negative things for longer periods of time.
Tis a fact of human nature.
Right, and what is more negative for the faith than turning it into some kind of Poor Dad, Rich Dad or Tony Robbins self-help guide to becoming rich?
If you do not see what's wrong with Pastors living in mansions, driving the best cars and taking vacations in places that are prohibitive for 99.9% of the population, my question to you is what type of Christianity have you been tought.
I guess this has something to do with what we were discussing in another thread with Hector and others. What is Joel's definition of salvation? Probably one where you are assured salvation once you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. That's why I believe works, good deeds and the way you lead your life has a lot to do with Salvation.
*sigh*Yet Marcus Has No Proof Of What He Claims. Here We Are 300+ Posts, But He Has No Proof That These Preachers Are Trying To Get Rich Off Of The Bible. None.
Jim and Tammy baker come to mind but I know there are more.
That's because you have chosen to see his book with this narrow a view....
But hey!.... it's all good. Just as long as what we do with our life honors and glorifies our Creator....
In fact I have spent way too much time on this forum today... AND since it has yet to have any positive influence on anyone I believe it was time wrongly spent.....
Smeagol the works are important only to know that one is right before GOD... But just as in the crucified thief example who recognized that Jesus was Lord... he was neither baptized, nor went through any other ritual, much less lived a 'Godly' life... and yet GOD promised to greet him in paradise....
Just as there are many evangelical Christians who don't understand GOD's purpose for their life and 'taint' the group as a whole... I know many many Catholics who are less remorseful of sinning simply becuase they can go to "confession" to wipe the slate clean.... Denominations have less to do with the matter than a personal relationship with GOD does -- that should be all that matters.
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I guess this has something to do with what we were discussing in another thread with Hector and others. What is Joel's definition of salvation? Probably one where you are assured salvation once you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. That's why I believe works, good deeds and the way you lead your life has a lot to do with Salvation.
Romans 3:27 (Whole Chapter)
[ Boasting Excluded ] Where then is boasting? [Rm 2:17;, 23; 4:2; 1Co 1:29-31;] It is excluded. By what kind of law? [Rm 9:31;] [ Or what principle?] By one of works? No, on the contrary, by a law [ Or a principle] of faith.
Why stick to the NT on this but forget about all the other stuff Christ said?
Anyways, once upon a time, both sides of the Faith v Works argument agreed that procuring good stuff was not a concern of believers.
Merry Christmas
Pastor's wife says she left airplane of own accord
Continental says she was asked to leave after argument with attendant
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/23/pas....ap/index.html
HOUSTON, Texas (AP) -- The wife of the pastor of the nation's largest church said she chose to leave an airplane after a disagreement with a flight attendant, disputing accounts that she was asked to go.
The FBI has said Victoria Osteen, of Houston, Texas, was asked to leave after failing to obey crew instructions. The Continental Airlines flight Monday from Houston to Vail, Colorado, was delayed an hour as a result.
In a statement posted on the Lakewood Church Web site, Osteen says: "Regardless of how some have portrayed the situation, please know that it was truly a minor misunderstanding and did not escalate into what you saw or read in the news. Contrary to those reports, it was my choice to remove myself from the situation. Nonetheless, it was a most unfortunate event and I truly regret that it happened."
A statement from Continental Airlines said the situation was resolved and a spokeswoman would not elaborate. The FBI reviewed a report from the airline and determined that no illegal activity had occurred, FBI spokeswoman Luz Garcia said.
"She failed to comply with the flight attendant's instructions and they were asked to leave the flight," Garcia said Tuesday.
Church spokesman Don Iloff said the Osteen family took another flight to Vail.
Pastor Joel Osteen took over his father's church in 1999 and has since increased its following to more than 30,000 worshippers weekly. The congregation of Lakewood Church meets in a renovated sports arena where the Houston Rockets once played.
Osteen's sermons are also broadcast throughout the country and his book "Your Best Life Now" has become a best seller.
The wife of the pastor of the nation's largest church said she chose to leave an airplane after a disagreement with a flight attendant, disputing accounts that she was asked to go.
The FBI has said Victoria Osteen, of Houston, Texas, was asked to leave after failing to obey crew instructions. The Continental Airlines flight Monday from Houston to Vail, Colorado, was delayed an hour as a result.so is she calling the FBI liars???
is that kinda like "fired??!! Fired!!!?? You can't fire ME ! I Quit!"
Ohhh my...A lady who happens to be married to a famous evangelist had an argument with a flight attendant....
My faith in “the resurrection & salvation in grace through faith” is shattered....Perhaps I should stop believing in the “10 commandments”, stop reading the Bible & stop giving to those in need.....NOT...
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