IN THEIR PRIME, which big man was the best?

[MadDog73]

Actually Hakeem had Clyde Drexler in '95, so he had a Robin to his Batman.

As far as Ewing, he had a supporting cast as weak as Robinson's and his team was ever bit as successful until Duncan arrived. I think Robinson is better, but I think it is ridiculous how his supporting cast has taken such a large role in this debate. Why same excuse be applied to both players?

I get what you're saying, but it's not a debate, because no one here is saying Ewing > Robinson, Shaq or Hakeem, because no one believes it. I don't even think Knick fans believe it.

A better question would be why do you think Shaq is so great?

Why do you think Shaq > Robinson, in his prime, hands down? Why can't you answer that question?

Oh yeah, everybody claiming Robinson is better in this thread is a Homer, that is proof enough for me. Do you really think that this would even be a discussion at other boards?

I honestly don't think anyone but Spurs fans watched all the regular season games of Robinson in the 90's, so they probably don't have a fair idea of what he was capable of.

Edit: oh, yeah, and Ewing had John Starks, who avg. 19 pts a game in 1994. Of course, he was absolutely horrid in Game 7:
http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19931994.html

Then, after three days of hoopla leading to the decisive Game 7, Olajuwon came through with 25 points, 10 rebounds, seven assists and three blocks as the Rockets posted a 90-84 victory in a game in which Starks, New York's All-Star guard, shot 2-for-18 from the field, including 0-for-11 from three-point range.

I guess all this proves is that one man alone cannot win a Championship...

[DirkAB]

I get what you're saying, but it's not a debate, because no one here is saying Ewing > Robinson, Shaq or Hakeem, because no one believes it. I don't even think Knick fans believe it.

A better question would be why do you think Shaq is so great?

Why do you think Shaq > Robinson, in his prime, hands down? Why can't you answer that question?



I honestly don't think anyone but Spurs fans watched all the regular season games of Robinson in the 90's, so they probably don't have a fair idea of what he was capable of.

Jesus, I haven't answer it? First, I'll say that I'm basing most of it off of watching them compete, to me it is obvious that Shaq was the much more dominant force. He was given more attention defensively than any other player that I've ever seen play, and it still was ineffective for the most part. Second, look at what he accomplished as far as leading his team deep into the playoffs, every year. Conference finals 9 of 14 years, Finals 6 of 14 years, and 3 rings. Look at the aftermath of what happens to the teams that Shaq leaves, including LSU, Orlando, and LA. His numbers don't accurately show his dominance, neither do Duncans. To see the influence that they truly had on the game you needed to watch the games.

A lot of people are pointing to Robinson's "terrible surounding cast," which I think a complete exageration. Although, I do admit he didn't have the surrounding cast that Shaq has had or Dream in '95, so don't act like I'm saying otherwise. For the same reason his team wasn't as successful, a lesser supporting cast, I also think that his stats were overinflated. I don't think that Shaq's stats reflect what he was to his team, although they were great stats, they were probably lesser because he had other players to rely on.

I also think that Shaq's defense is being underestimated, in his prime I think he clogged the lane better than any other center I've seen play. He kept more teams away from the basket out of sheer intimidation, it was amazingly effective. Teams settled for outside shots against the Lakers a lot during Shaq's prime, nobody wanted to take the ball at him. I'm not saying that his defense was better than Robinson or Hakeem, but there was certainally an intimidation factor that kept his oppenents out of the lane more than their was with any other center.

[DirkAB]

Edit: oh, yeah, and Ewing had John Starks, who avg. 19 pts a game in 1994. Of course, he was absolutely horrid in Game 7:
http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19931994.html

Seriously, John Starks? Very good player, but not even close to a superstar and barely an all-star, if he even was one.

I honestly don't think anyone but Spurs fans watched all the regular season games of Robinson in the 90's, so they probably don't have a fair idea of what he was capable of.

But you did watch all of Shaq's, right? WTF is the difference?

[SPARKY]

Starting shooting guard Vinny Del Negro.

Point whottt.

[DirkAB]

Starting shooting guard Vinny Del Negro.

Point whottt.

Rodman, Elliot, and AJ.

[baseline bum]

Why do you keep bringing up Rodman? Anyone who paid any attention in 95 knows Rodman was worthless in the Spurs biggest series in franchise history. Once again, if he was such a great player why was Will Perdue the best the Spurs could get in exchange for him in the days before salary cap limited trades and such? That alone proves he was a huge cancer, and viewed as such by the rest of the NBA also.

[SPARKY]

Rodman, Elliot, and AJ.

Rodman, drunk half the time and the other half ing Madonna.

Elliott, good enough to make a couple All-Star teams but hardly a second star.

AJ, very good point guard. That's about it.

[whottt]

Jesus, I haven't answer it? First, I'll say that I'm basing most of it off of watching them compete, to me it is obvious that Shaq was the much more dominant force. He was given more attention defensively than any other player that I've ever seen play, and it still was ineffective for the most part. Second, look at what he accomplished as far as leading his team deep into the playoffs, every year. Conference finals 9 of 14 years, Finals 6 of 14 years, and 3 rings. Look at the aftermath of what happens to the teams that Shaq leaves, including LSU, Orlando, and LA. His numbers don't accurately show his dominance, neither do Duncans. To see the influence that they truly had on the game you needed to watch the games.

Damn...you really are a stupid aren't you?

When David Robinson joined the Spurs it was the biggest single season turnaround in NBA history.

When David Robinson was injured, it was the biggest reverse single season turnaround in NBA history.

Period, no ifs ands or butts.

The record was again set when Duncan joined the Spurs, the catch is, David Robinson also returned.


The top two single season turn arounds in NBA history happend when he came or came back to a team, the biggest reverse happened when he got injured....

And AJ, and Vinny, and Sean, were all here when that reverse record happened.

Don't even bring up this ...

You want to talk college ball? The ing Navy...got look at their history without David Robinson...and then look at it with him.





Robinsons's stats are over inflated?

You're an idiot.

Without a doubt, you are the biggest idiot I have encountered on a message board.

[whottt]

Hakeem didn't even make the ing playoffs the year he had AJ on his team.

Hakeem went down and his team went on a 19 game winning streak...

David Robinson went down and it was worst single season turnaround in NBA history.

[whottt]

Mario Elie was the backup 2 guard on the 95 champion Rockets...he started on the Spurs 99 championship.

That 94 Rocket team set a record for most 3 pointers made in a season.

[baseline bum]

Whottt, chilll... I gotta hear this guy tell me how much of a help Rodman was in that '95 series when he was jacking up threes, getting killed by Horry in transition, and refusing to enter games.

[DirkAB]

Hakeem didn't even make the ing playoffs the year he had AJ on his team.

Hakeem went down and his team went on a 19 game winning streak...

David Robinson went down and it was worst single season turnaround in NBA history.

So is Robinson better than Hakeem? That seems to be your point.

[whottt]

Here's David Robinson hanging 52 ing points on 2 time DPOY and Shaq buttbuddy Alonso Mourning..

             Charlotte (111) @ San Antonio (124) 01/16/93


Charlotte (111)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Johnson,Larry     F  42   6-16    5- 8    1- 3    1-14   4  1  0  3  2  18
Newman,Johnny     F  14   1- 1    5- 6    0- 0    1- 1   0  0  0  0  4   7
Mourning,Alonzo   C  32   9-20    6-10    0- 0    2- 5   0  0  4  2  5  24
Bogues,Muggsy     G  34   3- 7    5- 6    0- 0    1- 6   7  0  0  3  2  11
Gill,Kendall      G  40   6-16    4- 6    0- 0    1- 4   2  4  0  1  1  16
Gattison,Kenny       15   0- 1    1- 2    0- 0    0- 2   2  0  1  0  5   1
Wingate,David        21   3- 6    1- 2    0- 1    3- 3   0  2  1  1  0   7
Curry,Dell           26   7-12    0- 0    1- 1    0- 1   2  1  0  1  1  15
Bennett,Tony         14   4- 6    2- 3    2- 3    0- 0   2  1  0  0  2  12
Hammonds,Tom          2   0- 0    0- 0    0- 0    0- 2   0  0  0  0  0   0
TOTALS              240  39-85   29-43    4- 8    9-38  19  9  6 11 22 111

    FG %: .459  FT %: .674  Three %: .500  Team Rebs: 17  Team TOs: 0


San Antonio (124)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Ellis,Dale        F  38   9-17    0- 0    3- 6    2- 6   4  0  0  1  2  21
Carr,Antoine      F  15   5- 6    2- 3    0- 0    0- 2   2  0  3  0  6  12
Robinson,David    C  40  20-28   11-15    1- 2    3-14   3  0  7  2  3  52
Johnson,Avery     G  32   2- 4    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0  12  1  0  1  4   4
Del Negro,Vinny   G  36   6-14    2- 2    0- 1    2- 7   3  1  0  3  5  14
Reid,J.R.            24   0- 6    4- 4    0- 0    1-10   0  0  0  0  4   4
Daniels,Lloyd        17   1- 6    0- 0    1- 3    0- 0   5  0  0  1  2   3
Smith,Larry          14   1- 1    0- 0    0- 0    2- 3   1  0  0  0  3   2
Wood,David           11   1- 2    1- 2    0- 0    0- 1   1  0  1  2  2   3
Mack,Sam             13   3- 8    3- 4    0- 2    2- 4   0  0  0  1  1   9
TOTALS              240  48-92   23-30    5-14   12-47  31  2 11 11 32 124

     FG %: .522  FT %: .767  Three %: .357  Team Rebs: 9  Team TOs: 1

               Charlotte                 21 28 23 39 -- 111
               San Antonio               30 31 30 33 -- 124

Officials: JIM CAPERS, TOMMY NUNEZ, DAN CRAWFORD
Attendance: 16057  Time of Game: 2:08

Here's David Robinson wiping his ass with Shaq:

               Orlando (93) @ San Antonio (96) 03/19/93


Orlando (93)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Bowie,Anthony     F  31   6-12    0- 0    0- 2    0- 4   4  0  0  1  1  12
Tolbert,Tom       F  36   8- 9    1- 1    1- 1    0- 5   1  0  1  0  4  18
O'Neal,Shaquille  C  32   7-11    1- 5    0- 0    3-13   1  1  2  8  5  15
Anderson,Nick     G  40   9-20    4- 6    2- 6    0- 7   3  3  0  1  3  24
Green,Litterial   G  42   5-11    2- 2    0- 0    1- 2   8  0  1  4  3  12
Royal,Donald         30   4- 9    2- 2    0- 0    4- 5   4  2  1  2  2  10
Kite,Greg            18   1- 3    0- 2    0- 0    2- 6   1  0  0  0  6   2
Kerr,Steve            6   0- 1    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   1  0  0  0  0   0
Turner,Jeff           5   0- 1    0- 0    0- 0    0- 2   0  0  0  0  1   0
TOTALS              240  40-77   10-18    3- 9   10-44  23  6  5 16 25  93

     FG %: .519  FT %: .556  Three %: .333  Team Rebs: 7  Team TOs: 0


San Antonio (96)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Elliott,Sean      F  35   4-10    7- 9    0- 1    2- 4   2  0  0  1  0  15
Reid,J.R.         F  18   4- 8    2- 2    0- 0    1- 5   1  1  0  2  4  10
Robinson,David    C  43  11-20    8-12    0- 0    1- 7   4  3  1  2  3  30
Ellis,Dale        G  24   3-12    0- 0    0- 5    0- 3   1  0  1  1  0   6
Johnson,Avery     G  40   5-12    0- 0    0- 0    2- 2   9  2  0  3  4  10
Carr,Antoine         31   6-11    2- 3    0- 0    1- 8   4  0  1  2  4  14
Daniels,Lloyd        18   3- 6    0- 0    1- 1    4- 7   1  0  1  0  0   7
Anderson,Willie      17   1- 1    2- 2    0- 0    0- 1   4  1  1  1  1   4
Del Negro,Vinny       7   0- 0    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   0  0  0  0  0   0
Smith,Larry           5   0- 1    0- 0    0- 0    1- 1   0  0  0  0  0   0
Mack,Sam              2   0- 1    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   0  0  0  2  1   0
TOTALS              240  37-82   21-28    1- 7   12-38  26  7  5 14 17  96

     FG %: .451  FT %: .750  Three %: .143  Team Rebs: 8  Team TOs: 0

               Orlando                   26 17 24 26 --  93
               San Antonio               23 19 29 25 --  96

Officials: DARELL GARRETSON, TOMMY NUNEZ, KEN MAUER
Attendance: 16057  Time of Game: 0:00

And again...Who can't guard who again?

 San Antonio (94) @ Orlando (90) 02/28/93


San Antonio (94)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Reid,J.R.         F  25   5- 9    2- 4    0- 0    1- 8   0  1  1  1  4  12
Ellis,Dale        F  40   7-15    2- 2    1- 5    1- 9   0  1  0  3  2  17
Robinson,David    C  44   9-20    5- 7    0- 0    3-16   7  4  3  2  3  23
Daniels,Lloyd     G  36   3-14    0- 0    0- 1    6-11   1  3  1  2  5   6
Johnson,Avery     G  35   0- 8    6- 8    0- 0    0- 2  13  2  0  0  2   6
Carr,Antoine         25  11-15    1- 2    0- 0    4- 7   0  0  1  1  3  23
Anderson,Willie      15   0- 2    0- 0    0- 0    0- 1   1  1  0  0  1   0
Del Negro,Vinny      18   3- 4    1- 2    0- 0    0- 1   1  0  0  3  3   7
Smith,Larry           2   0- 0    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   0  0  0  0  0   0
TOTALS              240  38-87   17-25    1- 6   15-55  23 12  6 12 23  94

     FG %: .437  FT %: .680  Three %: .167  Team Rebs: 7  Team TOs: 2


Orlando (90)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Tolbert,Tom       F  24   2- 6    2- 4    1- 1    2- 4   1  0  0  0  1   7
Bowie,Anthony     F  28   1- 6    1- 2    0- 0    1- 4   2  1  0  3  1   3
O'Neal,Shaquille  C  34   8-18    3- 5    0- 0    2-13   2  0  3  3  4  19
Anderson,Nick     G  38  10-26    4- 6    6-10    3- 7   0  0  0  3  2  30
Skiles,Scott      G  32   4-11    0- 0    2- 5    1- 4   7  0  0  2  5  10
Scott,Dennis         13   2- 7    0- 0    0- 2    0- 1   0  0  0  1  1   4
Kite,Greg             9   0- 1    0- 0    0- 0    0- 4   0  0  1  0  1   0
Royal,Donald         21   0- 1    5- 6    0- 0    3- 4   4  2  1  2  0   5
Williams,Brian       12   1- 4    0- 0    0- 1    2- 6   0  2  2  0  2   2
Kerr,Steve           17   1- 2    4- 4    0- 0    1- 2   3  0  0  1  2   6
Turner,Jeff          12   1- 4    2- 2    0- 0    1- 2   0  0  0  0  2   4
TOTALS              240  30-86   21-29    9-19   16-51  19  5  7 15 21  90

     FG %: .349  FT %: .724  Three %: .474  Team Rebs: 8  Team TOs: 0

               San Antonio               27 26 20 21 --  94
               Orlando                   19 21 23 27 --  90

Officials: DAN CRAWFORD, EDDIE F. RUSH, TOMMIE WOOD
Attendance: 15151  Time of Game: 2:15

Here's David Robinson sodomizing Shaq and impregnating him with you...

           San Antonio (94) @ Orlando (84) 12/03/93


San Antonio (94)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Rodman,Dennis     F  39   2- 6    0- 0    0- 0    8-23   4  1  1  0  4   4
Anderson,Willie   F  41   7-19    2- 3    0- 1    1- 2   9  0  0  2  2  16
Robinson,David    C  45   6-17   11-14    0- 0    3-11  10  4  2  3  5  23
Ellis,Dale        G  35   8-14    4- 6    2- 3    1- 4   0  2  0  2  3  22
Knight,Negele     G  37   6-11    2- 3    0- 0    2- 3   1  1  1  2  5  14
Whitney,Chris         1   0- 0    0- 0    0- 0    0- 1   0  0  0  0  0   0
Reid,J.R.            12   2- 7    4- 4    0- 0    1- 2   1  1  0  2  3   8
Del Negro,Vinny      16   2- 5    0- 0    0- 1    0- 1   0  0  0  0  1   4
Floyd,Sleepy         14   1- 1    1- 2    0- 0    1- 2   0  0  0  0  0   3
TOTALS              240  34-80   24-32    2- 5   17-49  25  9  4 11 23  94

    FG %: .425  FT %: .750  Three %: .400  Team Rebs: 11  Team TOs: 0


Orlando (84)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Anderson,Nick     F  35   5-12    0- 0    1- 2    1- 8   2  1  0  1  2  11
Turner,Jeff       F  22   3- 5    1- 2    0- 0    0- 1   0  1  0  0  2   7
O'Neal,Shaquille  C  43   9-17    3- 6    0- 0    5-19   1  1  3  4  3  21
Hardaway,Anfernee G  34   4- 9    1- 1    1- 3    1- 3   4  2  0  1  2  10
Skiles,Scott      G  35   4-10    5- 6    0- 3    0- 0   7  0  0  6  4  13
Kite,Greg             5   0- 0    0- 2    0- 0    0- 0   0  0  0  0  1   0
Scott,Dennis         25   4-12    1- 2    1- 7    0- 2   3  0  0  1  4  10
Royal,Donald         23   1- 3    4- 8    0- 0    3- 3   2  1  1  0  4   6
Bowie,Anthony        18   3- 5    0- 0    0- 0    1- 1   0  0  0  0  1   6
TOTALS              240  33-73   15-27    3-15   11-37  19  6  4 13 23  84

     FG %: .452  FT %: .556  Three %: .200  Team Rebs: 9  Team TOs: 0

               San Antonio               30 22 20 22 --  94
               Orlando                   23 18 21 22 --  84

Officials: J CRAWFORD, Ron Olesiak, D JONES
Attendance: 15291  Time of Game: 2:11

That's called a triple double....


Here's DRob nearly putting a quadruple double on Shaq:

              Orlando (103) @ San Antonio (111) 03/06/94


Orlando (103)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Avent,Anthony     F  21   2- 4    0- 0    0- 0    2- 4   0  0  1  0  2   4
Scott,Dennis      F  41   8-14    1- 2    4- 6    1- 3   6  1  2  1  3  21
O'Neal,Shaquille  C  39  11-20   10-15    0- 0    3-11   2  1  0  3  5  32
Hardaway,Anfernee G  37   4-19    3- 4    1- 3    3- 6   2  2  0  4  2  12
Anderson,Nick     G  35   7-12    0- 0    1- 4    0- 3   5  0  0  0  1  15
Rollins,Tree         12   1- 1    1- 2    0- 0    1- 3   2  0  0  1  1   3
Skiles,Scott         11   2- 3    0- 0    2- 2    0- 0   2  0  0  1  1   6
Krystkowiak,Larry    22   2- 4    0- 0    0- 0    3- 4   1  1  0  1  4   4
Bowie,Anthony        13   3- 4    0- 0    0- 0    0- 1   0  0  0  0  0   6
Royal,Donald          9   0- 0    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   0  0  0  0  2   0
TOTALS              240  40-81   15-23    8-15   13-35  20  5  3 11 21 103

     FG %: .494  FT %: .652  Three %: .533  Team Rebs: 9  Team TOs: 0


San Antonio (111)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Ellis,Dale        F  41   9-13    1- 2    3- 5    3- 6   4  1  0  0  1  22
Reid,J.R.         F  27   2- 9    2- 4    0- 0    0- 3   2  0  1  0  1   6
Robinson,David    C  40  14-26    8- 8    0- 0    5-13   7  3  6  4  4  36
Del Negro,Vinny   G  25   6-11    0- 0    0- 1    2- 3   3  0  0  1  1  12
Anderson,Willie   G  42   7-15    0- 0    0- 0    2- 6   8  1  0  1  3  14
Rodman,Dennis        27   3- 5    0- 0    0- 0    5-10   0  0  0  2  2   6
Carr,Antoine         25   3- 6    2- 2    0- 0    0- 1   0  0  0  1  4   8
Floyd,Sleepy         13   1- 3    5- 7    0- 0    0- 3   4  1  0  0  2   7
TOTALS              240  45-88   18-23    3- 6   17-45  28  6  7  9 18 111

     FG %: .511  FT %: .783  Three %: .500  Team Rebs: 8  Team TOs: 0

               Orlando                   36 25 25 17 -- 103
               San Antonio               30 24 20 37 -- 111

Officials: Tommie Wood, Mike Mathis, Joe Forte
Attendance: 34325  Time of Game: 2:26

Here's Shaq finally breaking through for the win...too bad, he again was toilet paper for David Robinson.

              San Antonio (104) @ Orlando (110) 03/12/95


San Antonio (104)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Rodman,Dennis     F  36   3- 9    5- 6    0- 0    8-23   5  0  0  4  5  11
Elliott,Sean      F  37   8-12    2- 4    2- 3    0- 1   3  2  0  1  3  20
Robinson,David    C  35  12-21   10-13    0- 2    3-12   2  0  1  2  2  34
Johnson,Avery     G  39   7-11    4- 5    0- 0    0- 0   6  2  0  4  3  18
Del Negro,Vinny   G  32   1- 5    4- 4    0- 1    0- 1   4  1  0  1  1   6
Person,Chuck         26   3-10    0- 0    1- 6    0- 3   0  0  0  1  4   7
 mings,Terry       13   1- 6    0- 0    0- 0    3- 4   0  1  1  1  4   2
Rivers,Doc           10   0- 3    2- 2    0- 1    0- 2   1  0  1  0  1   2
Reid,J.R.            12   2- 7    0- 0    0- 0    2- 3   0  0  0  1  3   4
TOTALS              240  37-84   27-34    3-13   16-49  21  6  3 15 26 104

     FG %: .440  FT %: .794  Three %: .231  Team Rebs: 9  Team TOs: 0


Orlando (110)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Avent,Anthony     F  28   1- 3    2- 2    0- 0    1- 3   2  1  1  0  3   4
Scott,Dennis      F  27   3-13    0- 0    1- 8    0- 2   1  1  0  2  2   7
O'Neal,Shaquille  C  42  10-24    8-11    0- 0    5-13   3  1  1  2  4  28
Hardaway,Anfernee G  44  13-22    3- 4    2- 2    1- 3   6  1  0  3  3  31
Anderson,Nick     G  43   7-12    4- 5    3- 5    2- 7   5  2  0  2  4  21
Turner,Jeff          20   2- 4    0- 0    0- 0    1- 2   1  0  0  0  6   4
Rollins,Tree          5   0- 0    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   0  0  0  0  0   0
Shaw,Brian           26   3- 6    8- 8    1- 2    1- 6   6  1  2  1  5  15
Bowie,Anthony         5   0- 0    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   2  1  0  1  0   0
TOTALS              240  39-84   25-30    7-17   11-36  26  8  4 11 27 110

    FG %: .464  FT %: .833  Three %: .412  Team Rebs: 10  Team TOs: 0

               San Antonio               25 28 24 27 -- 104
               Orlando                   22 25 30 33 -- 110

Officials: HUGH EVANS, MIKE CALLAHAN, JACK NIES
Attendance: 16010  Time of Game: 2:38



About statistical abbreviations

Here's a real gem:

         San Antonio (112) @ LA Clippers (97) 04/24/94


San Antonio (112)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
 mings,Terry    F  22   2-10    1- 2    0- 0    6-12   2  0  0  1  0   5
Rodman,Dennis     F  36   4- 5    0- 0    0- 0    3-17   3  1  1  2  1   8
Robinson,David    C  44  26-41   18-25    1- 2    4-14   5  0  2  8  2  71
Del Negro,Vinny   G  26   1- 3    0- 0    0- 0    0- 2   6  4  0  2  2   2
Daniels,Lloyd     G  25   2- 7    0- 0    0- 2    0- 2   1  2  1  3  2   4
Knight,Negele        24   3- 6    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   5  0  1  0  2   6
Floyd,Sleepy         23   1- 5    1- 4    1- 2    1- 5   6  0  0  4  3   4
Carr,Antoine         24   2- 2    0- 0    0- 0    0- 1   0  1  0  0  1   4
Reid,J.R.            12   2- 6    2- 2    0- 0    3- 4   0  0  0  1  2   6
Haley,Jack            4   1- 2    0- 0    0- 0    0- 1   0  0  0  0  2   2
TOTALS              240  44-87   22-33    2- 6   17-58  28  8  5 21 17 112

    FG %: .506  FT %: .667  Three %: .333  Team Rebs: 10  Team TOs: 0


LA Clippers (97)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Wilkins,Dominique F  21   6-17    3- 4    1- 3    0- 1   2  1  0  1  2  16
Vaught,Loy        F  25   7-10    2- 2    0- 0    2- 4   1  0  0  0  4  16
Spencer,Elmore    C   5   0- 0    0- 0    0- 0    0- 1   0  0  1  1  2   0
Jackson,Mark      G  16   1- 6    0- 0    0- 1    2- 3   6  2  0  0  0   2
Harper,Ron        G  20   2- 6    0- 0    0- 0    0- 3   0  1  1  4  0   4
Martin,Bob           20   1- 2    0- 0    0- 0    0- 4   1  0  2  1  4   2
Outlaw,Charles       27   2- 5    0- 0    0- 0    3- 6   0  1  3  1  6   4
Dehere,Terry         28  10-17    4- 4    2- 3    2- 3   2  1  0  2  0  26
Grant,Gary           14   2- 4    0- 0    0- 0    0- 1   4  2  0  2  0   4
Ellis,Harold         27   6-15    2- 4    0- 1    1- 6   0  2  0  0  5  14
Williams,John        19   1- 4    0- 0    0- 2    0- 4   2  2  0  2  2   2
Woods,Randy          18   1- 9    4- 6    1- 8    2- 3   5  2  0  2  3   7
TOTALS              240  39-95   15-20    4-18   12-39  23 14  7 16 28  97

     FG %: .411  FT %: .750  Three %: .222  Team Rebs: 8  Team TOs: 0

               San Antonio               20 17 32 43 -- 112
               LA Clippers               19 16 32 30 --  97

Officials: HOLLINS, MIDDLETON, FINE
Attendance: 16005  Time of Game: 2:09

That's Drob becoming the second and only other Center besides Wilt Chamberlain to ever score 70 points or more in a game...

Hakeem didn't do it.
Shaq didn't do it.

Here something else...

       Detroit (96) @ San Antonio (115) 02/17/94


Detroit (96)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Elliott,Sean      F  44   9-21    2- 2    0- 1    0- 2   2  0  0  0  0  20
Mills,Terry       F  43   7-17    3- 5    1- 3    3-16   2  0  1  4  6  18
Anderson,Greg     C  22   3- 5    1- 2    0- 0    6- 8   0  2  0  0  3   7
Thomas,Isiah      G  14   2-10    1- 2    0- 0    1- 1   1  0  0  1  3   5
Houston,Allan     G  38   4-14    2- 2    0- 2    0- 1   2  0  0  2  1  10
Hunter,Lindsey       34  12-24    2- 3    0- 3    3- 7   2  2  0  2  4  26
Jones,Charles        29   1- 2    0- 0    0- 0    3-10   0  0  0  0  6   2
Macon,Mark           10   4- 4    0- 0    0- 0    1- 2   0  2  0  1  3   8
Liberty,Marcus        6   0- 0    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   0  0  0  0  0   0
TOTALS              240  42-97   11-16    1- 9   17-47   9  6  1 10 26  96

     FG %: .433  FT %: .688  Three %: .111  Team Rebs: 7  Team TOs: 0


San Antonio (115)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Ellis,Dale        F  35   9-15    0- 0    1- 6    0- 2   1  1  0  1  1  19
Rodman,Dennis     F  42   0- 1    1- 2    0- 0    4-22   5  1  0  1  4   1
Robinson,David    C  43  12-20   10-17    0- 0    5-10  10  2 10  1  1  34
Del Negro,Vinny   G  28   9-17    5- 5    0- 1    1- 7   3  0  0  1  1  23
Anderson,Willie   G  23   2- 4    2- 2    0- 0    0- 1   2  0  2  0  3   6
Reid,J.R.            27   4- 8    5- 6    0- 0    4- 5   1  0  0  0  0  13
Knight,Negele        15   2- 5    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   1  2  1  2  1   4
Floyd,Sleepy         20   4- 8    2- 2    0- 1    0- 0   6  0  0  1  2  10
Daniels,Lloyd         3   0- 1    0- 0    0- 1    0- 1   2  1  0  0  0   0
Haley,Jack            2   1- 2    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   0  0  0  0  0   2
Whitney,Chris         2   1- 2    0- 0    1- 2    0- 0   0  0  0  0  0   3
TOTALS              240  44-83   25-34    2-11   14-48  31  7 13  7 13 115

     FG %: .530  FT %: .735  Three %: .182  Team Rebs: 6  Team TOs: 0

               Detroit                   20 27 21 28 --  96
               San Antonio               22 28 31 34 -- 115

Officials: Hue Hollins, Ronnie Nunn, Jim Kinsey
Attendance: 19451  Time of Game: 2:02

That's called a quadruple double..did Shaq do that? Hakeem did...



David Robinson...he also won a DPOY, a scoring le, and an MVP, making he and Michael Jordan the only guys in NBA history to do that.

He also lead the league in blocks board and scoring making he and Kareem, the only 2 to do so.

He was the first Center in 30 years to win a scoring le.

His 2.34 steals per game is second all time only to Hakeem in steals by a Center.

Only 6 Centers in NBA history have ever averaged more than the 4.8 assists per game. None of them are named Shaq or Hakeem.


He was first play in the NBA history to finish in the top 5 in board blocks and steals.

The first player in NBA history to make an ALL NBA Team and All Defensive team in hist first 7 years.

The only player besides Kareem to lead a post season in blocks and boards.

One of the only Non Celtic players to win the first game of his career and the last in the NBA finals, playing his entire career for the same team.

A record 5 IBM trophies.

He has a winning record Hakeem.
A winning record against Shaq.
A winning record against Barkley.
A winning record against Michael Jordan.

Etc...against Ewing.

He is one 4 players in NBA history to never ever finish lower than second in his division, the other 3 are Larry Bird, Dr, J and Magic Johnson.

His 65%+ shooting PCT in the 91 playoffs is higher than any series PCT by Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Hakeem, etc...he is tied for the NBA record in post season single game FG% with 1000%...did that one in his last playoffs.


So you tell me you ing head...why is Shaq better...he didn't beat him when he was in his prime, he didn't beat him when he was old...

Tell me head...other than the fact that you have your head permanently stuck up Shaq's ass...why is Shaq better.


Prove it, or shut the up.

[fyatuk]

So is Robinson better than Hakeem? That seems to be your point.

Nice change of subject...

[DirkAB]

Whottt, chilll... I gotta hear this guy tell me how much of a help Rodman was in that '95 series when he was jacking up threes, getting killed by Horry in transition, and refusing to enter games.

You keep refering to that one series as if it negated every other contribution he made in San Antonio in 2 years. Putting him on Horry was a bad coaching decision, so why put that on him. On teams with strong leadership he was a great player, maybe the best role player ever, but that wasn't Robinson's strong suit. Maybe you should be ing more about the leadership and coaching.

[DirkAB]

Nice change of subject...

Nice post!!! I like how you pop in and out of this thread without ever really getting too involved, let everybody else try and do what you can't.

[baseline bum]

You keep refering to that one series as if it negated every other contribution he made in San Antonio in 2 years. Putting him on Horry was a bad coaching decision, so why put that on him. On teams with strong leadership he was a great player, maybe the best role player ever, but that wasn't Robinson's strong suit. Maybe you should be ing more about the leadership and coaching.

Of course it negated everything he did. That was the year the Spurs had the cast to win it all, and he ing quit on the team. What do ou mean putting him on Horry was bad coaching? Would it have been better coaching to sit him on the bench? Who would you have him guard? Drexler? Kenny Smith or Cassel?

He didn't do much to shut Malone down in 94 either, but that's forgivable because the effort was there.... but he didn't give a the one time they had a real shot, and that will forever be Rodman's legacy in San Antonio.

Rodman was an amazing role player on Detroit because he was a jack of all trades. As soon as he went psycho and got caught sleeping in his truck with a shotgun he became one-dimensional and all about himself.

[fyatuk]

Nice post!!! I like how you pop in and out of this thread without ever really getting too involved, let everybody else try and do what you can't.

Well, I figured it was pointless since basically you just ignored any post that had any REAL information that conflicted with your point of view.

I already proved that if Shaq > Robinson (which I don't believe), then the difference is minimal.

Plus, you already admitted you like saying crap like that to keep people talking. So I figured I'd just sit back and watch the show.

[whottt]

Maybe if Shaq was more of a leader he wouldn't have gotten swept out of the playoffs his first 6 times in the playoffs. Ohh that's a real bad ass there...his nickname ought to be the Big Broom.


Shaq's first year in the NBA - 41-41 no playoffs...hey , we finally found some things Shaq did that David didn't...mis the playoffs, fail to have a winning record.

Second year - Swept in the first round.

Third year - Swept in the finals.

Fourth year - Swept again.

Fith year - managed to go out 1-4

Sixth year - Sweep city gain baby.

Seventh year - ...swept again.


Shaq has to hold the record for getting swept...

That sixth team that got swept had Kobe, Fox, Horry, Fisher, And Van Exel, Cambell, and Eddie Jones...

That's a ing all star team...swept like a punk ass .


That seventh team had David Robinson on it...a broken David Robinson and Shaq struggled to break 20 ppg in that series.


C'mon...prove he was better.

[fyatuk]

Maybe if Shaq was more of a leader he wouldn't have gotten swept out of the playoffs his first 6 times in the playoffs. Ohh that's a real bad ass there...his nickname ought to be the Big Broom.

Shaq missed the playoffs his first year, swept out in the first round in his second, swept in the finals third, swept in conferance finals fourth, then lost but not swept the next.

So you're just plain wrong there.

[DirkAB]

So you tell me you ing head...why is Shaq better...he didn't beat him when he was in his prime, he didn't beat him when he was old...

Tell me head...other than the fact that you have your head permanently stuck up Shaq's ass...why is Shaq better.


Prove it, or shut the up.

Do you really think that you have proven ? Seriously, why is his name never brought up when they talk about the greatest big man to ever play the game? Yet Shaq is in the middle of that conversation every single time? Is it because only you truly appreciate what Robinson did? That is how you act. I'll tell you why he isn't in the conversation, because he doesn't belong there.

For all the stats he put up he never lead a team to a championship, never even lead a team to the finals. He choked his ass off in the playoffs every ing year until a real leader like Duncan came along and he could finally play second fiddle to one trophy and a role player to another. You act like Hakeems team in '94 was so stacked, bull it was, they had him and a bunch of good role players. Too bad that the Jazz took Robinson and co. out with no problems before they had their chance, because the Spurs had a better chance of beating the Rockets that year than in '95, but they underachieved. What about '96? Same thing? The Jazz shouldn't have taken the Spurs out both those years, Spurs underachieved following Robinson's lead.

[whottt]

He was swept every year until his 5th year in the league, then he got swept twice more...

If he'd been in the Western Conference...he'd have been swept before the finals.


You know how many times David Robinson was swept..in his prime? None.

[whottt]

Do you really think that you have proven ? Seriously, why is his name never brought up when they talk about the greatest big man to ever play the game? Yet Shaq is in the middle of that conversation every single time? Is it because only you truly appreciate what Robinson did? That is how you act. I'll tell you why he isn't in the conversation, because he doesn't belong there.

For all the stats he put up he never lead a team to a championship, never even lead a team to the finals. He choked his ass off in the playoffs every ing year until a real leader like Duncan came along and he could finally play second fiddle to one trophy and a role player to another. You act like Hakeems team in '94 was so stacked, bull it was, they had him and a bunch of good role players. Too bad that the Jazz took Robinson and co. out with no problems before they had their chance, because the Spurs had a better chance of beating the Rockets that year than in '95, but they underachieved. What about '96? Same thing? The Jazz shouldn't have taken the Spurs out both those years, Spurs underachieved following Robinson's lead.

This would be the same Jazz team that Swept Shaq's All Star Laker Team?

Right? Hypocrite ?

[whottt]

I've had just about enough of you. You seriously need to come up with some facts to back up your stance, and you need to do it soon.

[DirkAB]

He was swept every year until his 5th year in the league, then he got swept twice more...

If he'd been in the Western Conference...he'd have been swept before the finals.


You know how many times David Robinson was swept..in his prime? None.

It is a little easier to avoid being swept when you only play 1 or 2 series each playoffs. But when you are constantly making it to the conference finals and the finals, you tend to run into better teams, and you also have 3 and 4 chances of being swept, as opposed to only having one chance of being swept.