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Where does it say that, exactly?
Rev 5:8 is the most direct.
And by unconfessed you mean unconfessed to a priest or would private confession between you and the Lord do? Also where is the line drawn between mortal and venial?
Where does it say that, exactly?
Rev 5:8 is the most direct.
That gets a bit murky for me...I'll try to see if I can get a clear statement for you. As I understand it, though...if the lack of confession was a conscious act on your part...too bad so sad. If, on the other hand, you had every intention of going to confession but were prevented from doing so...I think the Church says that's OK.
However...keep in mind we see confession ins uted by Christ Himself...in two different places. So no, as a general rule, what you call "private confession" would not do.
Where, please?
Interesting. When Protestants read the word "saints" in the Bible they take it to mean simply "believers." (Acts 9:13, 9:32, 9:41, 26:10, Rom 1:7, 8:27, 12:13, 15:25, 26, 31, 16:2, 15, 1 Cor. 1:2, 6:2, 14:33, 16:1, 16:15, 2 Cor. 1:1, 8:4, 9:1, 9:12, 13:13, Eph 1:1, 15, 3:18, 4:12, 5:3, 6:18, Philip. 1:1, 4:21, 22, Col. 1:2, 4, 12, 26, OK I'm worn out now)
So "the prayers of the saints" simply would be the prayers of believers offered up to God.
What about Heb. 12:1? That one says they're at least watching us.
Mt 18:18, Jn 20:22-23
There are others. I just chose that one.
And in the context of the times in which Revelation was written, "believers" would not make much sense. (IMHO)
I don't understand the reference in Matthew here and how it pertains to confession. The second one is more understandable. However, since we all receive the Holy Spirit when we become Christians, does that imply that any of us can forgive the sins of another? Can this not be done without the need of a confession? (For example, I have forgiven my sister for something she has done to our family but she has never actually confessed it to us and we have not pressed the matter.) Does this imply that one human being can have the power over another for the entrance to heaven?
Gee- that's not patronizing.
I must be hallucinating while I worship Mary.
ploto... I wasn't being facetious... Seriously, where in this thread was someone trying to convert you, and or invite you to their church? I didn't see it. And yet you wrote off the discussion on the grounds that you felt someone was trying to do that to you. It didn't make any sense.
I know you are answering SJ's questions with a candid and willing heart - so don't take what I'm about to say as a bigoted statement.
The doctrines you just alluded to are the very same 'complications' I was referring to when I said that the message of Christ was simple and that the RCC had managed to complicate it.
So after all this, Am i going to have a big problem being accepted if i tell the priest i don't believe in praying to Mary and i won't do it?
This doctrines were practiced by the earliest Chrisitans. People who new the Apostles. You tell me: who would know the practices insi uted by Christ better?I know you are answering SJ's questions with a candid and willing heart - so don't take what I'm about to say as a bigoted statement.
The doctrines you just alluded to are the very same 'complications' I was referring to when I said that the message of Christ was simple and that the RCC had managed to complicate it.
1) St Ignatius
2) Martin Luther, or
3) Phonomanul
With all due respect, I go with 1).
If you tell a priest you are praying to Mary, he will not accept you as a Catholic.
There you go, problem solved.
ES brings pretty goos points to the discussion, but so does Travis. Both read the same Bible and come to different conclusions. That is precisely why you need an authority to help people understand the Scriptures.
By the way ES, you have not proven conclusively that the Scriptures explain themselves.
One reason is that Protestantism has much more appeal that Catholicism.
"Accept Jesus Christ and your personal Savior and you will be save: NO MATTER WHAT".
Even though there are more going one way than the other, there are plenty of Evangelicals that have found comfort in the RCC.
I ask you the same question.
The first one claims that Mary is our Queen and Mistress...
Does it say Mary is God?
The second claims she never sinned... (remember Romans 6:23 -- ''For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD )
There are exceptions to Paul's statement. Mary is one.
The last one claims it was she who defeated Satan...
It says with the help of Jesus, not by herself.
Explain what is blasphemous about it.
So God gave Eve free will to sin against Him but did not give free will to Mary to choose to say yes to His Redemption plan?
Funny how Pheno fills his lips with how arrogant the RCC is but has nothing to comment about Crook's statemnt.
Don't bother.
She seems to be another Fundamentalist that thinks she knows the Catholic doctrines but at the end of the day she is simply repeating untrues statements that have been passed down by anti Catholics from generation to generation.
A lot of Catholics I know pray to Mary in and out of church (which I think is ridiculous).
Did Jesus himself tell you this?
Also, where in the bible do you find that people in Heaven can or do pray for those of us here on earth?
Read the thread. Both Travis and I state it in different posts.
Are you sure they pray to Mary, or they pray (ask) Mary to pray for them?
If they do, they are mistaken.
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