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    Why is it that I hear so much about the Corey Maggette guy? I looked up his stats, and saw that he's basically an average player. He's 27 years old, not exact 'young' as I assumed he was. So what makes this guy so special?

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    I just had a pleasant thought.

    Picture Tony leading the break with Elson sprinting ahead of the pack with Ginobili and Maggette on the wings.

    Hope this dream comes to fruition!
    Of course this enticing fast break dream presupposes that someone will get a rebound--something that no one--including TD or our bigs like Elson or Oberto--seems able to do with consistency.

    And if we go small, the rebound problems seem to get worse.

    Has anyone suggested Finley and Beno as part of trade for Maggette? I'd rather get rid of Finley than Barry at this point.

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    Why is it that I hear so much about the Corey Maggette guy? I looked up his stats, and saw that he's basically an average player. He's 27 years old, not exact 'young' as I assumed he was. So what makes this guy so special?
    He's a better-than-average player when motivated. And he could be motivated if he were in a different situation. He's a good rebounder for his position (which fits a need) and because he's so good at drawing contact and getting to the free throw line, he can be a CONSISTENT scorer. At 27, he's 8 years younger than Barry.

    Bottom Line: Maggette is potentially more productive than Barry, Finley, Udrih, and even Bonner. If the Spurs need to give up one, two, or even three of those players to get the deal done, they should make it happen.

    Keep in mind, the Spurs still would have the expiring contract of Williams to fill the holes created by the multi-player trade if necesary.

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    Of course this enticing fast break dream presupposes that someone will get a rebound--something that no one--including TD or our bigs like Elson or Oberto--seems able to do with consistency.

    And if we go small, the rebound problems seem to get worse.

    Has anyone suggested Finley and Beno as part of trade for Maggette? I'd rather get rid of Finley than Barry at this point.
    I think everyone would prefer to give up Finley, but there's two problems. One, everyone else (including the clippers) knows he's washed up, and two, he doesn't make enough money to make the deal work...unless the Spurs give up the expiring contract of Williams as well (ill-advised, considering they can get two seperate pieces if they work their assets right)

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    Utah and Miami have inquired about him. I don't think the Miami package would be very attractive. Utah could do something like Giricek/Brewer, but as much as we've disliked Barry/Udrih lately, I'd take the SAS offer there.

    It's hard to read, since on realgm. boards and elsewhere Maggette's value is overvalued by Clippers fans. They think they can get Mike Miller for him, or similar.
    Feature story in the Dallas paper this morning on Utah as possible destination for Maggette. Said Sloan needs at least one more player to compete in the West and that Utah has tried to get Maggette before.

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    He's a better-than-average player when motivated. And he could be motivated if he were in a different situation. He's a good rebounder for his position (which fits a need) and because he's so good at drawing contact and getting to the free throw line, he can be a CONSISTENT scorer. At 27, he's 8 years younger than Barry.

    Bottom Line: Maggette is potentially more productive than Barry, Finley, Udrih, and even Bonner. If the Spurs need to give up one, two, or even three of those players to get the deal done, they should make it happen.

    Keep in mind, the Spurs still would have the expiring contract of Williams to fill the holes created by the multi-player trade if necesary.
    I'll be sure to keep an eye on him in action. Is there a deadline for a trade to occur?

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    I'll be sure to keep an eye on him in action. Is there a deadline for a trade to occur?
    24 Feb I think, but don't quote me on it. I've got the month right, but the day is less of a sure thing.

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    Of course this enticing fast break dream presupposes that someone will get a rebound--something that no one--including TD or our bigs like Elson or Oberto--seems able to do with consistency.

    And if we go small, the rebound problems seem to get worse.

    Has anyone suggested Finley and Beno as part of trade for Maggette? I'd rather get rid of Finley than Barry at this point.
    You had to squash my basketball wet dream. But you're exactly right.

    I wonder if Pop will ever give up his "small ball" fantasies and go back to whatever it is the Spurs do best these days. Based on the last three games, I'm not sure what that is anymore.

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    Why is it that I hear so much about the Corey Maggette guy? I looked up his stats, and saw that he's basically an average player. He's 27 years old, not exact 'young' as I assumed he was. So what makes this guy so special?
    Here's his vitals:

    6'6", 228 lbs SG, 7th season from Duke

    Career stats:
    15 pts, 5 rebs, 2 ast

    Twice in his career ('03 & 04) he topped the 20 pt plateau in scoring avg for the season.

    Here's the deal with him:
    He's a slashing-type of scorer. He strong, quick and very athletic and has great hops. He's a triple-threat type of scorer because can break his man down off the dribble, shoot over him or attack him on a post up. Oh and by the way, he is an excellent FT shooter - which means he wont fit in with this team. He's not a great 3-pt shooter, but we have enough of those. His best work comes from the mid range areas and around the basket. He's not the greatest passer in the world either. Another specialty of his is that he CAN REBOUND THE BASKETBALL. For example, he had 11 rebs off the bench in a game versus the Heat last week.

    He not a great defender. In fact, he could probably stand to develop better defensive footwork. However, he does possess enough size and strength to at least "man up" against the likes of a Bonzi, a Marion or a Vince Carter. He's got the tools and with the right technique and coaching that he is sure to get in S.A. he can be at least an average-to-good defender.

    Another attractive element about him is that, as you pointed out, he is 27 years old Which means he's not a raw rookie (whom Pop hates) nor is he the grizzled, over-the-hill veteran whose career is clearly behind him (who Pop seemingly favors).

    The bottom line is this dude has the athletic skill set that the Spurs have not had since SJax. He would represent a considerable upgrade at the 2-3 position and could come in and contribute immediately. Unless, of course, Pop decides he needs a new tenant in his famous "dog house".

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    So what makes this guy so special?
    He's on another team.

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    If all they want is Brent Barry and Beno "useless" Udrih then I don't see what the hold-up is. Barry won't continue to hit at this pace and we can always continue to look to aquire a decent backup PG. Gonna need a change to match up well with the rest of the WEST
    I worked the trade on REALGM. Here is a possible trade scenarios with the Clippers that seemingly work out salary wise.

    Barry+Beno = Maggette+Daniel Ewing

    I know some have mentioned the Spurs possibly acquiring James Singleton, whichi wouldn't be bad, except we all know Pop would never play this guy. Besides the Spurs already have one SF project in James White.

    Personally, I believe if the Spurs part with Beno, they'd better get a backup PG in return.

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    I know some have mentioned the Spurs possibly acquiring James Singleton, whichi wouldn't be bad, except we all know Pop would never play this guy.
    Why not?
    Personally, I believe if the Spurs part with Beno, they'd better get a backup PG in return.
    Ewing is just another Dookie mini shooting guard.

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    Personally, I believe if the Spurs part with Beno, they'd better get a backup PG in return.
    For sure they'll need to get a PG if Beno goes, but it doesn't have to be in the Maggette trade. From what I read of Ewing, he's a solid defensive PG, but is an offensive liability. I think the Spurs already have that PG in Vaughn.

    If the Spurs pulled off the rumored trade, they would still have Eric Williams' expiring $4M contract to bargain with. Possible available PG...

    Watson, Boykins, Dooling (?). Two of the Three are offensively oriented and one has a comparitively large, long-term contract, but all three are possible upgrades over Vaughn and fill a need for the third PG in the least.

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    If the Spurs pulled off the rumored trade, they would still have Eric Williams' expiring $4M contract to bargain with. Possible available PG...
    Eric Williams+Luis Scola's rights to Chicago for Chris Duhon+Viktor Khryapa?

    Okay, I'm ing dreaming.

    But Chicago could use an inside scorer next year...

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    Eric Williams+Luis Scola's rights to Chicago for Chris Duhon+Viktor Khryapa?

    Okay, I'm ing dreaming.

    But Chicago could use an inside scorer next year...

    I think Duhon is too important to what the Bulls do. They'd like to keep Gordon as a sixth-man, and I'm not sure Sefolosha as the starting SG is something they'd do. Still...it's a good thought. Duhon would be the perfect backup PG.

    EDIT: Duhon is making backup PG money and could be the best backup PG in the league, but I think it might take Butler to get a deal done.

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    I think they might have considered shopping Duhon earlier in the season when they were struggling, but Duhon has been better than Hinrich at times. He's a little pricey for a backup PG, but hey.

    Yeah, it won't happen.

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    I think they might have considered shopping Duhon earlier in the season when they were struggling, but Duhon has been better than Hinrich at times. He's a little pricey for a backup PG, but hey.

    Yeah, it won't happen.

    Honestly, I took a look at his salary, and it's not that bad. $3M/yr over the next three is comparative to Horry, Elson, Bonner, Finley and a bunch of other "backups" the Spurs have. I think you've got the "relatively plausible dream sceario" down.

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    I've been reading up on a couple of other boards and apparently the thought of the Spurs having Maggette scares Mav fans.

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    Honestly, I took a look at his salary, and it's not that bad. $3M/yr over the next three is comparative to Horry, Elson, Bonner, Finley and a bunch of other "backups" the Spurs have. I think you've got the "relatively plausible dream sceario" down.
    Good thinking outside the box. Now if we just get Pop and R.C. to do start doing the same.

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    Why would Chicago do this? They have a high lotto pick to fill their needs.

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    If another player was going to be included in the Maggette trade, I would want Korolev over Ewing. The Clipps passed on extending his rookie contract & in Pops system he could be the kind of SF we need.

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    Eric Williams+Luis Scola's rights to Chicago for Chris Duhon+Viktor Khryapa?

    Okay, I'm ing dreaming.

    But Chicago could use an inside scorer next year...
    we might get Khryapa and I'm a big fan of this idea (although I don't see Khryapa as an important part to solve the current problems, more as a possible future core player).
    Duhon is not realistic for nothing. he is an important part of their team and he does it at a decent contract (3 million/year).
    but I absolutly agree, he is the kind of player, I would love to see as our backup PG. maybe because he is the opposite to Beno in many ways.
    (btw. did anybody ever mention that Duhon was still on the board when the Spurs picked Beno 2004? Bulls picked him no.39.
    , Varejao was also there and Ariza. jesus we could have less of some problems, if we had used this pick different)

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    I've been reading up on a couple of other boards and apparently the thought of the Spurs having Maggette scares Mav fans.
    It should.

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    Why would Chicago do this? They have a high lotto pick to fill their needs.
    They wouldn't. More because they'd lose their secondary PG. They'll get an inside post player high in the draft, but most likely a project. It wouldn't hurt to get an accomplished post guy on the bench.

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    They wouldn't. More because they'd lose their secondary PG.
    Duhon starts for them.

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